Received: by 2002:a25:6193:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id v141csp4798636ybb; Tue, 24 Mar 2020 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vsNmIi6fkouDvbULj5Wmd4Vb6JDdEMMQl0IaHoe8IEOH0QQpcCTHiAp6gy/CETM35tVfnPC X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:1ac1:: with SMTP id r1mr17505144otc.139.1585053430388; Tue, 24 Mar 2020 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1585053430; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=U5n2zDDjWgLWYHYw5Nzfos3ApRIkQqQVJ8B29K167t5YU+DvfQ9mZR+tmz1hQDjhVT 7G/8+rfliqL86cMma+vlFNIT3zjB3Bdwifjf3GQRMeiLeMxcuWrTTeobXh4+PdzKpiNo RocZSiQTksOk6rsii7FS0o5FWTuxLgUVGe8c+b2KrGEuxXuCC7cFrKtWLvMdTNxAAVCK Co25kv0S7fCu43CqU1a9ZpA5R7E5JAQQfYN2d1Y4snKWNwEr32zsUa3wdAVSzfSZU6GE 7fYLCuqHDQsMPq4G/dauXhlpprPCS66MgYudAxMzuVeprnC7xiHFkh2fJ8kgFONtJs9q D5/w== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:date:cc:to:from:subject :message-id; bh=PZ6qsVxUhB6XQY1rkKGR84k3w+gVBwP0elXM1C/UbCU=; b=ZXSoIoME2eVxqIzw9Y/nCtw/GN3woJBDKk7Z+4+9QG9/JNpS0wnP6e8PWUZR/8uDvn GxmedQpP6QDgtK3fBRgVTk8hCMwUMf0KVL06Hb3tlKgc0Rf/cLvFzEsyTD0AdVavzxTd dcKMcuwMdAHPy0cy3X+Fj6v3nKo3PqbtLLEryRD4wfgvDB57Iv6Z8awN2jFVf072Crza VFN+ad9RWy+uT28WpyYpPvxM/Kqds0aN0yelsrazO0fvq9xaMjCi+Sq4U8jk3/SEJlk2 R84hlDnyLXvqwK8aIdbxkiywoc6GMNytv7lGn0qzzbyEWZxURKaG6aME0ZzYYyszMuq4 LdQg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id x26si8766638otp.61.2020.03.24.05.36.58; Tue, 24 Mar 2020 05:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727223AbgCXMg4 (ORCPT + 99 others); Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:36:56 -0400 Received: from s3.sipsolutions.net ([144.76.43.62]:44728 "EHLO sipsolutions.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727130AbgCXMg4 (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:36:56 -0400 Received: by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_SECP256R1__RSA_PSS_RSAE_SHA256__AES_256_GCM:256) (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1jGind-005BCH-V8; Tue, 24 Mar 2020 13:36:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Simulate Radio wave interference From: Johannes Berg To: Masashi Honma Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 13:36:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: <66d63510-7a41-a99e-14b9-0db32a4f61ce@gmail.com> (sfid-20200324_105525_696682_C09F54CC) References: <8f783032-8999-18aa-5980-8a87427fddd8@gmail.com> <1a1f5c11f51c4c2fe2a5e82e32e431986f88bddb.camel@sipsolutions.net> <66d63510-7a41-a99e-14b9-0db32a4f61ce@gmail.com> (sfid-20200324_105525_696682_C09F54CC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.4 (3.34.4-1.fc31) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org Hi, > > I think from a timing aspect, checking if two signals are in phase will > > be practically impossible - we're talking about less than 1us timing > > differences (0.2 at 5 GHz), if I'm doing the math correctly? > > I do not mean just in phase or opposite phase. Of course it could not > be happened in real world. > > I mean two or more radio waves composes a mixed wave. > > Refer attached pictures. Sure, but that's even worse? You need significantly less than microsecond granularity to take this effect into account, and then you'd have to probably also take distance into account for propagation time etc.? Anyway, I don't have a problem with the old model and don't have a need for a different (even if perhaps better) one. Really what I'm mostly thinking about is the MAC vs. air stuff, see my other email. johannes