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[99.232.51.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z66sm13329166qkb.94.2020.03.24.07.53.44 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by elrond.bobcopeland.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2BDC4FC007E; Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:53:44 -0400 From: Bob Copeland To: Johannes Berg Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, Masashi Honma Subject: Re: wmediumd MAC implementation/simulation Message-ID: <20200324145344.GA17278@bobcopeland.com> References: <30484acdee4cd19078673f4f4229dfae49b17804.camel@sipsolutions.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <30484acdee4cd19078673f4f4229dfae49b17804.camel@sipsolutions.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 02:56:46PM +0100, Johannes Berg wrote: > I wonder if this should be split, implementing a "real" MAC for hwsim, > and then sending also the ACKs "properly", perhaps implementing RTS/CTS > behaviour in the MAC, etc.? The reason I did it this way was to go more for rough approximation rather than fidelity to get whatever simplifications that allows. For example, loop really only considers a single frame at a time (and all of its rateset) rather than all the possible stations that could be sending at a given time step. That is good enough for comparing rate controllers, and doing some mesh testing with a few one-off hacks bolted on top, but nowhere near complete. That said, splitting them apart and having more realistic mac layer sounds reasonable -- how do you anticipate it looking? > Or perhaps then that's too much complexity and I should just teach ns3 > the hwsim virtio interface? Up to you :) -- Bob Copeland %% https://bobcopeland.com/