Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:8c0a:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id go10csp476647pxb; Wed, 20 Jan 2021 11:37:34 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzC5Rq2xtMAr56yZ3ZemrIIhee2gWcHBz9o3UNjgbWn7Efiwy1MqjTASbdwerYaUEdefXpx X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:72c2:: with SMTP id du2mr7122152ejc.305.1611171454445; Wed, 20 Jan 2021 11:37:34 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1611171454; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=O9/zmWcWgSGWez6Tqak0WCwF7O8pLEW+YX9N5oULYNTdqu8CDlamwRAXQ+r0bRl3es JitGlApgnbMU/XP4Y+fWrSOBZtGUqH5vdddROVGhZi3jrp9hTyiKS7eOd8l9K57CC89d vKqKjXSr0HnXItBxWR/4PrSImamVJqmKXlBF9CQWpl+xzlEp8l9vT5bXz0cDv2pK2/mj Yd7Z6hwNIGkUqYhC+D9Dm8iT1tgwgoG0LVjYuE6T1l6CbPPAPQxvAw3GSIaFEt5UeiDU EkNPg+0+V1jY/ElkIZA9C6kuMXBtvsms07CPYlQ2+jhWEfbmIEKJTkD7ksyI7OrXj/V6 OHjQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc :to:from:date; bh=rJiZih0iw20EsdXrTkiIVxOYJSbD9vd0xU6/fOpT0Fs=; b=lGfWefJcl4le6RXyDdIiOymiAh92pUoq3C8nFj8zrBsCe9E6UoMlH6bMByOZyCrFvB WbNGtkX4sHIM5DRyOo5Bo+TX1v4tfRK8n5aHJYMhZhxjBF0HnMi0PXbPceKRy0HScls4 /35bEadTI4cYRPiOZhl1h9cKYBaW8YhvffCSqDTvvfpdL1hZq0ibf21+5qcAXevyxZaY 808UmpQWmSnZ2Y6nBT+xQtA7rd9L43ZaRrxjSMps5GXSPG8pbQPz/HuA7RGlwRNFoVOv YW+h7XaGVMGTNBlW1ZCiG0fYzsf5DAHoeymjMUZobfLbsFdwKt40H3Bc4+h9KAX1Alak LvAA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i9si954704eja.115.2021.01.20.11.37.10; Wed, 20 Jan 2021 11:37:34 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S2392619AbhATTfm (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 20 Jan 2021 14:35:42 -0500 Received: from vps0.lunn.ch ([185.16.172.187]:50784 "EHLO vps0.lunn.ch" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S2392596AbhATTff (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jan 2021 14:35:35 -0500 Received: from andrew by vps0.lunn.ch with local (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1l2JFj-001hDA-As; Wed, 20 Jan 2021 20:34:51 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 20:34:51 +0100 From: Andrew Lunn To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Mork Cc: M Chetan Kumar , netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, johannes@sipsolutions.net, krishna.c.sudi@intel.com Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/18] net: iosm: readme file Message-ID: References: <20210107170523.26531-1-m.chetan.kumar@intel.com> <20210107170523.26531-18-m.chetan.kumar@intel.com> <87turftqxt.fsf@miraculix.mork.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87turftqxt.fsf@miraculix.mork.no> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 06:26:54PM +0100, Bj?rn Mork wrote: > I was young and stupid. Now I'm not that young anymore ;-) We all make mistakes, when we don't have the knowledge there are other ways. That is partially what code review is about. > Never ever imagined that this would be replicated in another driver, > though. That doesn't really make much sense. We have learned by now, > haven't we? This subject has been discussed a few times in the past, > and Johannes summary is my understanding as well: > "I don't think anyone likes that" So there seems to be agreement there. But what is not clear, is anybody willing to do the work to fix this, and is there enough ROI. Do we expect more devices like this? Will 6G, 7G modems look very different? Be real network devices and not need any of this odd stuff? Or will they be just be incrementally better but mostly the same? I went into the review thinking it was an Ethernet driver, and kept having WTF moments. Now i know it is not an Ethernet driver, i can say it is not my domain, i don't know the field well enough to say if all these hacks are acceptable or not. It probably needs David and Jakub to set the direction to be followed. Andrew