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Subject: Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for the
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To:     "sforshee@kernel.org" <sforshee@kernel.org>,
        "Asura Liu (asuliu)" <asuliu@cisco.com>
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From:   Sungbo Eo <mans0n@gorani.run>
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On 2021-12-18 06:55, sforshee@kernel.org wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 09:19:50AM +0000, Asura Liu (asuliu) wrote:
>>  From 3db25ea674232fea6a5efca292f6ed3fd8eba7a2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
>> From: Asura Liu <asuliu@cisco.com>
>> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 16:46:28 +0800
>> Subject: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for the US on 6 GHz
>> band
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>> According to FCC 20-51, FCC adopts rules to unlicensed use of the 6 GHz band:
>> "59. Third, the Commission limits the low-power indoor access points to lower power levels than the standard-power access points that operate under the control of an AFC. Consistent with the Commission's approach for the existing U-NII bands, the Commission specifies both a maximum power spectral density and an absolute maximum transmit power, both in terms of EIRP. Specifically, the Commission allows a maximum radiated power spectral density of 5 dBm per 1 megahertz and an absolute maximum radiated channel power of 30 dBm for the maximum permitted 320-megahertz channel (or 27 dBm for a 160-megahertz channel). In addition, to ensure that client devices remain in close proximity to the indoor access points, the Commission limits their PSD and maximum transmit power to 6 dB below the power permitted for the access points."
>> See https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/05/26/2020-11236/unlicensed-use-of-the-6-ghz-band
>>
>> And 47 CFR § 15.407 describe this as following:
>> (a) (5) For an indoor access point operating in the 5.925-7.125 GHz band, the maximum power spectral density must not exceed 5 dBm e.i.r.p. in any 1-megahertz band. In addition, the maximum e.i.r.p. over the frequency band of operation must not exceed 30 dBm.
>> (a) (8) For client devices operating under the control of an indoor access point in the 5.925-7.125 GHz bands, the maximum power spectral density must not exceed −1 dBm e.i.r.p. in any 1-megahertz band, and the maximum e.i.r.p. over the frequency band of operation must not exceed 24 dBm.
> 
> Thanks for the patch. A couple of quick notes about the patch
> description. It's preferred to wrap lines in the body at around 75
> characters, and it's required that you include a Signed-off-by tag
> indicating your agreement to the DCO for your contribution (see
> CONTRIBUTING).
> 
> Additional comments below.
> 
>> ---
>> db.txt | 6 ++++++
>> 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
>> index b898799..c6ef9b6 100644
>> --- a/db.txt
>> +++ b/db.txt
>> @@ -1606,6 +1606,12 @@ country US: DFS-FCC
>> 	# https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/05/03/2021-08802/use-of-the-5850-5925-ghz-band
>> 	# max. 33 dBm AP @ 20MHz, 36 dBm AP @ 40Mhz+, 6 dB less for clients
>> 	(5850 - 5895 @ 40), (27), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, NO-IR
>> +	# 6ghz band
>> +	# https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/05/26/2020-11236/unlicensed-use-of-the-6-ghz-band
>> +	# https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-20-51A1_Rcd.pdf
>> +	# max. 30 dBm AP @ 320MHz, 27 dBm AP @ 160MHz, 6 dB less for clients
>> +	(5925 - 7125 @ 320), (30), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW
>> +	(5925 - 7125 @ 320), (24), NO-OUTDOOR, AUTO-BW, NO-IR
> 
> The kernel doesn't currently support multiple rules with different flags
> for the same range. This is an issue that's come up several times, but
> so far nothing has been done about it.
> 
> Even ingoring that, I don't think these rules accomplish the intended
> purpose. There's nothing that would require a client device to use the
> NO-IR rule, so they could end up using the higher power limit and
> transmitting before detecting transmission from an AP.
> 
> I also suspect that we should be able to express the AFC requirement in
> the database before permitting AP operation in this range.
> 
> Currently I think the best we're able to do is to use the lowest common
> denominator, which is the 24 dBm rule with NO-IR.
> 
> Thanks,
> Seth

Hi, sorry for intruding.

I thought max EIRP rule for larger bandwidth also applies to smaller 
bandwidth, that means we would use 24 dBm tx power with 20 MHz channel 
as well. But the regulation limits PSD to -1 dBm/MHz and it leads to 12 
dBm for 20 MHz. Shouldn't we use 12 dBm rule to fit the smallest bandwidth?

I still don't understand exactly how the rules work, my apologies if I 
am mistaken.

Regards,
Sungbo