Received: by 2002:a05:6358:701b:b0:131:369:b2a3 with SMTP id 27csp2179096rwo; Sun, 23 Jul 2023 09:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlFfMfj6ZcNbnezeIuzExiJxvlxt7uDs5gqdTGibFRR8Gl8NX630IP8s6iWdqqHgybyZq9tP X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:ed1:b0:348:b07e:fd9e with SMTP id i17-20020a056e020ed100b00348b07efd9emr5408125ilk.16.1690128570927; Sun, 23 Jul 2023 09:09:30 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1690128570; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=vxLSz3llRHvcKX00P0spQSVATMNYLPdnTiXvRomy1KjyX5hxB+kk+SkFGsDHlY9J2b SdgbGlIr7zh2FhQJegdKRw2ybml07B2iyzVOqBB4nxPhVqjfX9pKYF2D3wuSIQOhBLjX 3UiuqgmhlE0aPIYuwuO3fp2xr7LMvcYHBsn/QHz08wtWmTluYk162Ho12gW/jcB7qMRc VzfJGNAatVVhC27at08Gxy9x7CkIqPdR4vtvSAFu8djRaYba1ySQrqDYw8A4aMln4fmL c7W000AnFVAQwh6KgVYOQbeHXTBDF5LpQsSUWmU4zi9vifPBkmJzWBLsH3e7kH6f2klG u0AQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:content-disposition:mime-version:message-id :subject:to:from:date; bh=IqsrS8Y5qQPBCNTViDmzRway5gNsvTINOScAYpLKIAM=; fh=TV8EzKbyLKvUL3NJYgG++IISUyWBCSXFXV8Bs7Rh8hU=; b=joRyDi5Hqgx9s5tRWadlYG1UumMasbxkiLZDLSQjNbUfSGJWE1ahhK4UGjpYiPGkYZ nxIkdWUFTLUxsyOmeYoqTiknGi0GjKWJnIgkyP+uj6Vtm9YW17LMjzmhclqsPGgXD11w oxCFjU19f+gM83EHtZvnB7/YAhmYKsjAfDog+rOiVxtTr7PUHe6zwAjhuoVnrCRHAsBu A23lDf7I2ed/KTy+0TpDgbQUUIoAKy0LdQCihssxGrHy7G8AJsUm/j8GcriqJKVpC7Gi uTxrERyzd4OEZgQ9aPZsSR7hNmIcuGp2ywMhlihjJS2ek1TBoDY0XDeUcJVAWn173IsB mSgg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from out1.vger.email (out1.vger.email. [2620:137:e000::1:20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id qe4-20020a17090b4f8400b00263ad259d9esi8130038pjb.0.2023.07.23.09.09.17; Sun, 23 Jul 2023 09:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) client-ip=2620:137:e000::1:20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 2620:137:e000::1:20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229797AbjGWQEz (ORCPT + 58 others); Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:04:55 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:32830 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229666AbjGWQEy (ORCPT ); Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:04:54 -0400 Received: from netrider.rowland.org (netrider.rowland.org [192.131.102.5]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 61FC7107 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2023 09:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1819799 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Jul 2023 12:04:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:04:50 -0400 From: Alan Stern To: Wireless mailing list , USB mailing list , PCI mailing list Subject: Nomenclature for USB-connected WiFi devices Message-ID: <8ce5288f-9ed2-4df9-a0a2-bb46941089fb@rowland.harvard.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on lindbergh.monkeyblade.net Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org If you've got a WiFi device that connects to the host computer via USB, do you refer to it as a "wireless USB device" or as a "USB wireless device"? The second would seem to be more logical, by analogy with things like a USB mouse or a USB thumbdrive -- we don't say "mouse USB device" or "thumbdrive USB device"! Furthermore, the first ("Wireless USB") is in fact the name of a defunct specification for an Ultra-WideBand interface that would run the USB communication protocol over a wireless connection. Nevertheless there are quite a few places in the kernel source that use "wireless USB" where they really mean "USB wireless". (A few of them are gray cases, like "Sierra Wireless USB-to-WWAN", although here the word "Wireless" evidently is redundant -- maybe it is part of a brand name?) Would there be any objection to a patch that does a wholesale conversion from "wireless USB" to "USB wireless"? Alan Stern PS: Similar reasoning applies to the term "wireless PCIe device", although here the number of offenders is smaller.