2001-07-01 17:41:33

by Kurt Maxwell Weber

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Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

On Sunday 01 July 2001 12:12, you wrote:
> > I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not
> > dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and
> > Solaris, and the other operating systems I have installed at home).
> > Frankly, I don't have a problem with Microsoft. If I don't like their
> > product, I'm free to choose not to use it.
>
> So as a user you are free to not use M$ products.
> What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice.
>

You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field.
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Regards,
Kurt Weber
[email protected]


2001-07-01 18:12:08

by Hua Zhong

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Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

-> From Kurt Maxwell Weber <[email protected]> :
>
> You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field.

There are a lot of people who don't know how to use Linux/Unix. Windows is
much easier for them and has more applications. They practically have no
other choice if they have to use a computer in their jobs (maybe they can
Macintosh).

One of my dreams is someday Linux can really be a great desktop operating
system, but you know that's not yet real now.

2001-07-01 19:24:58

by Adam Schrotenboer

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Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

Hua Zhong wrote:

>-> From Kurt Maxwell Weber <[email protected]> :
>
>>You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field.
>>
>
>There are a lot of people who don't know how to use Linux/Unix. Windows is
>much easier for them and has more applications. They practically have no
>other choice if they have to use a computer in their jobs (maybe they can
>Macintosh).
>
>One of my dreams is someday Linux can really be a great desktop operating
>system, but you know that's not yet real now.
>
Yes, and I am not arguing that all my customers should go Linux. But the
way that MS goes marketing their crappy products, bundling w/ Windblows
is atrocious. I have gotten very sick and tired of every one thinking
that because Word is MS product, it must be perfect, or if not perfect,
and least the best possible. I am also sick of being expected to use MS
products, or lose out on school assignments and business b/c M$ was an
asshole and doesn't support Wordperfect, Star Office, etc (yes, I know
that star office can read word)

Because of their predatory practices I am stuck w/ their mediocre
products. I must support their products; I am expected to get a MCSE so
I can get a job (at the moment I work for my father, so I don't need one).

If I want to set up a Linux server (my father and I are working on
making this a solution for a few of our larger customers) I still have
to deal with interoperatbility with a system that breaks all the rules
(standards) makes their own, etc.

Yes, I do do the work, b/c it makes me money (not enough, b/c I can't
get enuff hours, but the hourly pay is terrific), doesn't mean that I
have a choice of whom I support. Yes, I could just drop the field. But
that would mean giving up, and that doesn't sound like a choice either.
So I work within the system to change it. Meanwhile, if this was
something else, I could probably sue for emotional damage or something
else (tongue in cheek). If I was imprisoned wrongly, I could get
compensation right(don't ansewer this, it's rhetorical).

But don't just tell me to butt out, b/c I can't change it. I refuse to
believe that.

>

2001-07-01 20:52:52

by Tracy R Reed

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Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 02:11:47PM -0400, Hua Zhong wrote:
> There are a lot of people who don't know how to use Linux/Unix. Windows is
> much easier for them and has more applications. They practically have no
> other choice if they have to use a computer in their jobs (maybe they can
> Macintosh).

I don't agree with this.

http://www.ultraviolet.org/treed/writings/display.php3?document=easy

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Tracy Reed http://www.ultraviolet.org
Linux: Because freedom is priceless.


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2001-07-02 00:14:02

by Dan Hollis

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Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote:
> You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field.

As demonstrated many times over the past several years, it is becoming
increasingly difficult to buy a PC without bundled m$-ware. Even if you
dont use m$-ware you are still forced to pay for it.

-Dan