by Shah, Nehal-bakulchandra

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] SFH: Add Support for AMD Sensor Fusion Hub

Hi

On 2/14/2020 4:41 PM, Benjamin Tissoires wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 11:04 AM Shah, Nehal-bakulchandra
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> On 2/14/2020 10:10 AM, Srinivas Pandruvada wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2020-02-13 at 15:56 +0100, Benjamin Tissoires wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:45 PM Hans de Goede <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/12/20 3:56 AM, Sandeep Singh wrote:
>>>>>> From: Sandeep Singh <[email protected]>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AMD SFH(Sensor Fusion Hub) is HID based driver.SFH FW
>>>>>> is part of MP2 processor (MP2 which is an ARM® Cortex-M4
>>>>>> core based co-processor to x86) and it runs on MP2 where
>>>>>> in driver resides on X86.The driver functionalities are
>>>>>> divided into three parts:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1: amd-mp2-pcie:- This module will communicate with MP2 FW
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> provide that data into DRAM.
>>>>>> 2: Client driver :- This part for driver will use dram data
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> convert that data into HID format based
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> HID reports.
>>>>>> 3: Transport driver :- This part of driver will communicate with
>>>>>> HID core. Communication between devices
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> HID core is mostly done via HID reports
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In terms of architecture it is much more reassembles like
>>>>>> ISH(Intel Integrated Sensor Hub). However the major difference
>>>>>> is all the hid reports are generated as part of kernel driver.
>>>>>> AMD SFH driver taken reference from ISH in terms of
>>>>>> design and functionalities at fewer location.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AMD sensor fusion Hub is part of a SOC 17h family based
>>>>>> platforms.
>>>>>> The solution is working well on several OEM products.
>>>>>> AMD SFH uses HID over PCIe bus.
>>>>> I started looking at this patch because of the phoronix' news item
>>>>> on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all I want to say that it is great that AMD is working on
>>>>> getting the Sensor Fusion Hub supported on Linux and that you are
>>>>> working on a driver for this.
>> Thanks for the valuable input.
>>>> But, I've taken a quick look, mainly at the
>>>> "[PATCH v3 5/5] SFH: Create HID report to Enable support of AMD
>>>> sensor fusion Hub (SFH)"
>>>> patch.
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK with the Intel ISH the sensor-hub itself is actually
>>>> providing
>>>> HID descriptors and HID input reports.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the AMD code, that does not seem to be the case, it
>>>> seems
>>>> the values come directly from the AMD sensor-hub without being in
>>>> any
>>>> HID specific form, e.g.:
>>>>
>>>> +u8 get_input_report(int sensor_idx, int report_id,
>>>> + u8 *input_report, u32 *sensor_virt_addr)
>>>> +{
>>>> + u8 report_size = 0;
>>>> + struct accel3_input_report acc_input;
>>>> + struct gyro_input_report gyro_input;
>>>> + struct magno_input_report magno_input;
>>>> + struct als_input_report als_input;
>>>> +
>>>> + if (!sensor_virt_addr || !input_report)
>>>> + return report_size;
>>>> +
>>>> + switch (sensor_idx) {
>>>> + case ACCEL_IDX: /* accel */
>>>> + acc_input.common_property.report_id = report_id;
>>>> + acc_input.common_property.sensor_state =
>>>> + HID_USAGE_SENSOR_STATE_READ
>>>> Y_ENUM;
>>>> + acc_input.common_property.event_type =
>>>> + HID_USAGE_SENSOR_EVENT_DATA_UPDATED
>>>> _ENUM;
>>>> + acc_input.in_accel_x_value =
>>>> (int)sensor_virt_addr[0] /
>>>> + AMD_SFH_FIRMWARE_MU
>>>> LTIPLIER;
>>>> + acc_input.in_accel_y_value =
>>>> (int)sensor_virt_addr[1] /
>>>> + AMD_SFH_FIRMWARE_MU
>>>> LTIPLIER;
>>>> + acc_input.in_accel_z_value
>>>> = (int)sensor_virt_addr[2] /
>>>> + AMD_SFH_FIRMWARE_MU
>>>> LTIPLIER;
>>>> + memcpy(input_report, &acc_input,
>>>> sizeof(acc_input));
>>>> + report_size = sizeof(acc_input);
>>>> + break;
>>>>
>>>> And the descriptors are hardcoded in the driver so as to fake a HID
>>>> device.
>>>>
>>>> So going through the HID subsystem seems like an unnecessary
>>>> detour,
>>>> which just makes things needlessly complex and harder to debug
>>>> (and extend).
>>>>
>>>> The HID devices which the current patch-set is creating ultimately
>>>> will result in a number of devices being created under
>>>>
>>>> /sys/bus/iio/devices
>>>>
>>>> And this are the devices which userspace uses to get the sensor
>>>> data.
>>>>
>>>> IMHO instead of going through the HID subsys the AMD Sensor Fusion
>>>> Hub
>>>> driver should simply register 4 (*) iio-devices itself and directly
>>>> pass the data through at the iio subsys level rather then going the
>>>> long way around by creating a fake HID device which then gets
>>>> attached to by the hid-sensor driver to ultimately create the same
>>>> iio-devices.
>>>>
>>>> There are examples of e.g. various iio accel drivers under:
>>>> drivers/iio/accel/ you could start with a simple driver supporting
>>>> just the accelerometer bits and then extend things from there.
>>>>
>>>> Benjamin, Jiri, Jonathan, what is your take on this?
>>>> Hard to say without knowing AMD roadmap for that. If they intend to
>>>> have an ISH-like approach in the end with reports and descriptors
>>>> provided by the firmwares, then it makes sense to keep this
>>>> architecture for the first revision of devices.
>>>> If not, then yes, this is probably overkill compared to what needs to
>>>> be done.
>>>>
>>> I suggested this approach to follow something like Chrome-OS EC based
>>> hub, but looks like in longer run this may come from firmware. That's
>>> why they may have decided.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Srinivas
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sandeep, can you explain to us why you think using HID is the best
>>>> way?
>>>>
>>>> On a side note, I don't necessarily like patch 4/5 with the debugfs
>>>> interface. It's adding a kernel API for no gain, and we should
>>>> already
>>>> have the debug API available in the various subsystems involved.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Benjamin
>> Yes today, the HID Reports are getting generated in driver. But, we would like to have HID based driver as we may go for HID based firmware in future . Hence keeping that in mind current AMD SFH design.
>>
>> So, kindly consider our design w.r.t HID for this patch series.
> OK, that's good enough for me. Jiri, are you fine with that too?
>
>> For the debugfs part,currently it is really handy for us to debug raw values coming from firmware.But if guys feel that it is not necessary, we can remove it.
>>
> 2 problems here:
> - patch 3/5 references this debugfs interface which is only added in 4/5.
> - you are creating a new sysfs set of file for debug purpose only, but
> as soon as we start shipping those, some other people will find it
> more convenient to use that directly instead or IIO, and you won't be
> able to change anything there.
>
> So I would strongly advocate against having this debugfs, and suggest you to:
> - either keep this debugfs as a downstream patch
> - either play with eBPF or kprobes to retrieve the same information
> without changing the kernel.
>
> For reference, I recently tried to replicate the hidraw functionality
> with eBPF[0] without changing the kernel code, and it was working.
> Well, there was no filtering on the source of the HID event, but
> still, I got the same data directly from the kernel just by adding
> instrumentation in a couple of functions.
>
> Cheers,
> Benjamin

If Jiri is Ok, then we will push the next patch as per suggestion here i.e. taking out debugfs.

Thanks

Nehal Shah

>

2020-02-21 12:49:34

by Jiri Kosina

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] SFH: Add Support for AMD Sensor Fusion Hub

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Shah, Nehal-bakulchandra wrote:

> > 2 problems here:
> > - patch 3/5 references this debugfs interface which is only added in 4/5.
> > - you are creating a new sysfs set of file for debug purpose only, but
> > as soon as we start shipping those, some other people will find it
> > more convenient to use that directly instead or IIO, and you won't be
> > able to change anything there.
> >
> > So I would strongly advocate against having this debugfs, and suggest you to:
> > - either keep this debugfs as a downstream patch
> > - either play with eBPF or kprobes to retrieve the same information
> > without changing the kernel.
> >
> > For reference, I recently tried to replicate the hidraw functionality
> > with eBPF[0] without changing the kernel code, and it was working.
> > Well, there was no filtering on the source of the HID event, but
> > still, I got the same data directly from the kernel just by adding
> > instrumentation in a couple of functions.

Wow. Complete eBPF supremacy is really coming shortly apparently :)

> If Jiri is Ok, then we will push the next patch as per suggestion here
> i.e. taking out debugfs.

I agree with that. Thanks,

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Jiri Kosina
SUSE Labs