Fellow hackers,
For some time I have felt unappreciated by some members of the Linux
community. Far too many of you like to whine and cry, saying "My patches
aren't being accepted by Linus, but they are by Alan or Michael!"
It seems that some of you are too stupid to follow the simple
instructions that I have made clear on more than one occasion.
This, combined with the fact that today is my last day at Transmeta,
has prompted me to consider rediscovering that balance I had in my life
before you all took my hobby and made it into a mass movement. I have
not decided who should take over maintenance of the kernel myself, for I
believe that this decision should be made in a quasi-democratic
fashion. While democracy has not worked well with this group of people
before, I am willing to give it one last chance.
However, I do have some opinions on who should succeed me as leader
of kernel development. I will provide my opinions below as I am
entitled to do so. Below is an alphabetical list of my nominations.
I include a brief explanation of why I nominated them and any concerns
I may have. You all should do the same for your nominations.
Alan Cox: Alan has done a spectacular job of maintaining the 2.2 branch
ever since I embarked on the development branch. He would have been an
automatic choice for this job, except for his childish refusal to
travel to the US, where all the real kernel hackers hang out.
Marcello has proven to me, however, that you do not need to live
in a technology-rich country such as the US to be a leader of
kernel development.
Matt Dillon: Whenever someone moans about the 2.4 VM fiasco,
I think to myself, "I wish Matt hadn't left the Linux kernel
development for FreeBSD!" I believe that if Matt were to be chosen
as leader, we would have had a sane and working VM on par with
FreeBSD's months ago. While he has little leadership experience, he
is a member of FreeBSD-core, a position which certainly demands
respect.
Eric S. Raymond: Being leader of kernel development involves
fielding a significant amount of media attention. ESR has shown
on many occasions that he can talk shit and still sound just as
convincing as anyone on this list, all the time being completely
oblivious to any contrasting viewpoints. While his
kernel-configuration-adventure-game contribution to Linux just
screams out "worthless bloat", I must admit to having enjoyed
many a lonely night playing the game. If he could lay a similar
interface over gdb, I'm sure that more kernel hackers would
actually debug their work before submitting it.
Richard M. Stallman: RMS has an exceptional track record in the
open-source field, being largely responsible for my favorite text
editor, compiler, and debugger. No other open-source hacker has
come as close as he has to replicating the integration available
with Microsoft Visual C++ 6 years ago. I fully endorse him as a
candidate, assuming he's willing to drop his puerile "GNU/Linux"
ego stroking.
Theo de Raadt: Theo is an exceptional candidate. Not only is he a
more than adequate hacker; he attracts exactly the type of people
to OpenBSD that he wants, and will jettison those who are not up to
the task. While purging out all the less-than-adequate hackers
in the Linux project will inevitably attract negative publicity
from Slashdot and other "community" sites where these feeble hackers
hang out, it will no doubt strengthen Linux in the future. Just
look at what Theo's strong leadership has done for OpenBSD! He
turned around the worthless "research project" that was NetBSD and
made it an enterprise-class firewall system. I can only imagine
the effect his Midas touch could have on the Linux kernel.
You have until the end of April 1, 23:59 Pacific Time to submit your
nominations to the list. The most nominated person will become the leader
of kernel development. I will examine the list of nominations and,
assuming that the winner wants the job, I will hand full control over to
them. I know that this is short notice, but knowing how obsessively most
of you check your inboxes, I figure you should have more than adequate
time to submit your recommendations. The decision will be final and no
discussion will be considered after it has been made, so choose
carefully.
Thank you.
Linus
On 2002.04.01 Frank Fiene wrote:
>On Monday, 1. April 2002 09:00, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> [April fool hoax]
>
>Thank you very much! Please pay my next mad-doctor bill.
>It took 15 minutes to realize, which date is today. :-)
>
So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
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On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 12:00:00AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
[BS about Linux needing new leadership snipped]
No he didn't.
>From the forged headers:
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Mon, 1 Apr 2002 03:07:05 -0500
Cheers,
Bill
As today is the first of April (says April fool day), so I choose Tovald
Linus as my leader.
Cheers,
Jirat.
p.s. Is somebody laughing?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linus Torvalds" <[email protected]>
To: "Kernel Mailing List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 03:00 PM
Subject: Linux needs new leadership.
> Fellow hackers,
>
> For some time I have felt unappreciated by some members of the Linux
> community. Far too many of you like to whine and cry, saying "My patches
> aren't being accepted by Linus, but they are by Alan or Michael!"
> It seems that some of you are too stupid to follow the simple
> instructions that I have made clear on more than one occasion.
> This, combined with the fact that today is my last day at Transmeta,
> has prompted me to consider rediscovering that balance I had in my life
> before you all took my hobby and made it into a mass movement. I have
> not decided who should take over maintenance of the kernel myself, for I
> believe that this decision should be made in a quasi-democratic
> fashion. While democracy has not worked well with this group of people
> before, I am willing to give it one last chance.
>
> However, I do have some opinions on who should succeed me as leader
> of kernel development. I will provide my opinions below as I am
> entitled to do so. Below is an alphabetical list of my nominations.
> I include a brief explanation of why I nominated them and any concerns
> I may have. You all should do the same for your nominations.
>
> Alan Cox: Alan has done a spectacular job of maintaining the 2.2 branch
> ever since I embarked on the development branch. He would have been an
> automatic choice for this job, except for his childish refusal to
> travel to the US, where all the real kernel hackers hang out.
> Marcello has proven to me, however, that you do not need to live
> in a technology-rich country such as the US to be a leader of
> kernel development.
>
> Matt Dillon: Whenever someone moans about the 2.4 VM fiasco,
> I think to myself, "I wish Matt hadn't left the Linux kernel
> development for FreeBSD!" I believe that if Matt were to be chosen
> as leader, we would have had a sane and working VM on par with
> FreeBSD's months ago. While he has little leadership experience, he
> is a member of FreeBSD-core, a position which certainly demands
> respect.
>
> Eric S. Raymond: Being leader of kernel development involves
> fielding a significant amount of media attention. ESR has shown
> on many occasions that he can talk shit and still sound just as
> convincing as anyone on this list, all the time being completely
> oblivious to any contrasting viewpoints. While his
> kernel-configuration-adventure-game contribution to Linux just
> screams out "worthless bloat", I must admit to having enjoyed
> many a lonely night playing the game. If he could lay a similar
> interface over gdb, I'm sure that more kernel hackers would
> actually debug their work before submitting it.
>
> Richard M. Stallman: RMS has an exceptional track record in the
> open-source field, being largely responsible for my favorite text
> editor, compiler, and debugger. No other open-source hacker has
> come as close as he has to replicating the integration available
> with Microsoft Visual C++ 6 years ago. I fully endorse him as a
> candidate, assuming he's willing to drop his puerile "GNU/Linux"
> ego stroking.
>
> Theo de Raadt: Theo is an exceptional candidate. Not only is he a
> more than adequate hacker; he attracts exactly the type of people
> to OpenBSD that he wants, and will jettison those who are not up to
> the task. While purging out all the less-than-adequate hackers
> in the Linux project will inevitably attract negative publicity
> from Slashdot and other "community" sites where these feeble hackers
> hang out, it will no doubt strengthen Linux in the future. Just
> look at what Theo's strong leadership has done for OpenBSD! He
> turned around the worthless "research project" that was NetBSD and
> made it an enterprise-class firewall system. I can only imagine
> the effect his Midas touch could have on the Linux kernel.
>
> You have until the end of April 1, 23:59 Pacific Time to submit your
> nominations to the list. The most nominated person will become the leader
> of kernel development. I will examine the list of nominations and,
> assuming that the winner wants the job, I will hand full control over to
> them. I know that this is short notice, but knowing how obsessively most
> of you check your inboxes, I figure you should have more than adequate
> time to submit your recommendations. The decision will be final and no
> discussion will be considered after it has been made, so choose
> carefully.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Linus
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"Linus Torvalds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Fellow hackers,
>
> For some time I have felt unappreciated by some members of the Linux
> community...
[SNIP]
> You have until the end of April 1, 23:59 Pacific Time to submit your
> nominations to the list. The most nominated person will become the leader
> of kernel development. I will examine the list of nominations and,
> assuming that the winner wants the job, I will hand full control over to
> them. I know that this is short notice, but knowing how obsessively most
> of you check your inboxes, I figure you should have more than adequate
> time to submit your recommendations. The decision will be final and no
> discussion will be considered after it has been made, so choose
> carefully.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Linus
My vote is on this funny guy who happened to turn his hobby into a world
revolution. He's from Northern Europe, and nobody seems to be able to pronounce
his name right...
L. Torvalds is his name... His re-election would be very appropriate, especially
on this excellent day for elections ;-)
Rob
All these other fellows are OK.
However,
the list should include also
Al Gore.
Among other things he is a visionary who will fight till the end
for our rights from the highest possible elevation.
Bill Gates.
If we only had him as a leader money will be flowing like a river
towards OSS and GNU. For starters this entire list will be subscription
based with required certification (about $10K per person and $3K if you
only want to read it)
Larry Ellison.
He will promote linux/gnu/oss by putting a few big logos on his own
space shuttle.
Thanks for this opportunity.
Hristo Doichev
I nominated Edsger Wybe Dijkstra and feel this is the
best choice for a number of reasons:
* He's good at concurrency.
* Would bring a high academic profile to Linux.
* Good programming practices would be enforced.
We'd take a year off to remove all of our
goto's and rewrite the kernel in Pascal.
* Enforcement of non-anthropomorphic discussion
of computers and programs.
* No one can pronounce his name properly, thus
preventing the complacency that would come
with a leader named "Smyth" or "Jones".
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On Monday, 1. April 2002 09:00, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> [April fool hoax]
Thank you very much! Please pay my next mad-doctor bill.
It took 15 minutes to realize, which date is today. :-)
ff
Ummm - April 1st again, so soon? :)
--
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On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Linus Torvalds wrote:
In the fine tradition of the Fools' Day (to pretend that you believed at
least something), I nominate:
1. Paul Vixie -- because he fits nicely into the list.
2. Dan Bernstein -- because the list would be incomplete without him.
3. Linus Torvalds -- because he is doing just fine.
--
Alex
My nominations are as follows:
o Steve Jobs : we would get linux onto the kweul
new imacs by default and have a yummy gui system
along with the benefits of airport.
o Bill Gates : we would get excellent microsoft
integration and not have to worry about any of their
propriety protocols
o Captain Janeway : for she would boldly take linux
where no-one has taken it before </theme_tune>
B.
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Hristo Doichev
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Linus Torvalds
Subject: Re: Linux needs new leadership.
Bill Gates.
If we only had him as a leader money will be flowing like a river
towards OSS and GNU. For starters this entire list will be subscription
based with required certification (about $10K per person and $3K if you
only want to read it)
On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Kevin Krieser wrote:
>
> You forgot that your required Passport membership is free, though you will
> require Passport to login.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Hristo Doichev
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:32 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: Linus Torvalds
> Subject: Re: Linux needs new leadership.
>
> Bill Gates.
> If we only had him as a leader money will be flowing like a river
> towards OSS and GNU. For starters this entire list will be subscription
> based with required certification (about $10K per person and $3K if you
> only want to read it)
>
Naw. It would auto-configure and charge your checking account by
sending cookies. You'd never even know it, because it'd use round-off
errors from Microsoft Money. In two weeks you'd be a CLAM (Certified Linux
Administrator for Microsoft).
Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.4.18 on an i686 machine (797.90 BogoMips).
Windows-2000/Professional isn't.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Dale Amon wrote:
> I nominated Edsger Wybe Dijkstra and feel this is the
> best choice for a number of reasons:
[snip]
> * No one can pronounce his name properly, thus
> preventing the complacency that would come
> with a leader named "Smyth" or "Jones".
I can (and everyone who can pronounce mine can pronounce his ;-)
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
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In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
-- Linus Torvalds
On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 01:19, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 12:00:00AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> [BS about Linux needing new leadership snipped]
>
> No he didn't.
>
> >From the forged headers:
>
> Received: from pkdt.proxel.ru ([194.190.195.189]:21594 "HELO pkdt.proxel.ru")
> by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id <S310441AbSDAIHF>;
> Mon, 1 Apr 2002 03:07:05 -0500
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And this too. Very clever.
On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 07:24:20AM -0700, Steven Cole wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 01:19, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 12:00:00AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > [BS about Linux needing new leadership snipped]
> >
> > No he didn't.
> >
> > >From the forged headers:
> >
> > Received: from pkdt.proxel.ru ([194.190.195.189]:21594 "HELO pkdt.proxel.ru")
> > by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id <S310441AbSDAIHF>;
> > Mon, 1 Apr 2002 03:07:05 -0500
>
>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> And this too. Very clever.
At least they added the Pine bit this year.
Same time next year everyone?
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The author of this mail is obviously a bad investigator, and
apparently doesn't know what Advanded Groups Search
on newsgroup is.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Richard M. Stallman: [...] my favorite text editor [...]
"I use uemacs myself, and I consider it the best editor around. Not for
any real technical reasons, but simply because I'm used to it. Oh, and
it's not a buggered piece of overgrown sh*t like GNU emacs. There.
I've said it. " (Linus Torvalds, 1 Dec 2000)
"I use "microemacs" (which has got nothing to
do with "real emacs" other than having keybindings that are close enough
to be confusing)." (Linus Torvalds, 23 Apr 1998)
"I'm distrustful of projects that do not have well-defined goals, and
well-defined interfaces. They tend to bloat and do "everything" over
time. This is what gives us horrors like GNU emacs and Mach: they
don't try to do one thing well, they try to do _everything_ based on
some loose principle" (Linus Torvalds, 26 Mar 1998)
> Theo de Raadt: Theo is an exceptional candidate. Not only is he a
> more than adequate hacker; he attracts exactly the type of people
> to OpenBSD that he wants, and will jettison those who are not up to
> the task.
"First off, I don't like a lot of the elitism that does on among Linux
hackers.[...] If you think using Un*x makes you some kind of super
genius who should be feared by mere mortals and
end users, either get over it or start using *BSD. *BSD users (and
developers) are all complete jackasses, so you'll fit right in."
(Linus Torvalds, 11 Avr 2001)
--
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1. What is Linus' new company (if he is changing a job), considering the
fact that this is his last day at Transmeta
2. Is this serious or just a joke? I hope it is.
Enkh
On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 00:00:00 -0700 (PDT)
Linus Torvalds <[email protected]> escribi?:
> Fellow hackers,
>
I thought Linus wasn't here.....he's on holidays...
On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 05:30 AM, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Kevin Krieser wrote:
>
>>
>> You forgot that your required Passport membership is free, though you
>> will
>> require Passport to login.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Hristo Doichev
>> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:32 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: Linus Torvalds
>> Subject: Re: Linux needs new leadership.
>>
>> Bill Gates.
>> If we only had him as a leader money will be flowing like a river
>> towards OSS and GNU. For starters this entire list will be subscription
>> based with required certification (about $10K per person and $3K if you
>> only want to read it)
>>
>
> Naw. It would auto-configure and charge your checking account by
> sending cookies. You'd never even know it, because it'd use round-off
> errors from Microsoft Money. In two weeks you'd be a CLAM (Certified
> Linux
> Administrator for Microsoft).
>
Darn .. I forgot about their CLAM program.
I wan to be a CLAM. Ohh ... one of these days.
Cheers.
> Cheers,
> Dick Johnson
>
> Penguin : Linux version 2.4.18 on an i686 machine (797.90 BogoMips).
>
> Windows-2000/Professional isn't.
>
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I nominate a committee of three composed of:
1. My wife - who knows how to run the world better than anyone else, and
will tell you so.
2. My daughter - who knows teenage boys (the next generation of hackers)
better than anyone else and will tell you so.
3. My son - who is God's gift to computing, and will tell you so.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Fellow hackers,
>
> However, I do have some opinions on who should succeed me as leader
> of kernel development. I will provide my opinions below as I am
> entitled to do so. Below is an alphabetical list of my nominations.
> I include a brief explanation of why I nominated them and any concerns
> I may have. You all should do the same for your nominations.
>
> You have until the end of April 1, 23:59 Pacific Time to submit your
> nominations to the list. The most nominated person will become the leader
> of kernel development. I will examine the list of nominations and,
> assuming that the winner wants the job, I will hand full control over to
> them. I know that this is short notice, but knowing how obsessively most
> of you check your inboxes, I figure you should have more than adequate
> time to submit your recommendations. The decision will be final and no
> discussion will be considered after it has been made, so choose
> carefully.
Linus Torvalds wrote:
Dearest Linus,
Coming from one who was at the top of the food chain at Novell, and
abandoned it, I will tell you that a day will come when you wish you
hadn't taken this step. If you leave it, and try to come back, it will
never be the same. After all, it's the journey that is it's own reward,
not the end game. You are a winner, BTW, whatever path you choose to
take.
If you are hell-bent on this path, I nominate Alan Cox. He's not
perfect, but he's smart, tough, and has an excellent leadership skills
and vision..
U-na-le-nv-hi U-da-do-li-s-di (May the creator bless your steps and
watch over you)
Do-na-da Go-hv-i (See you around, brother)
Wa-do (Thanks)
Wa-ya Ge-tlv-hv-s-di (Jeff V. Merkey)
Jeff
> Wa-ya Ge-tlv-hv-s-di (Jeff V. Merkey)
I nominate "That Guy" (anyone watch futurama?). Seeing as I won't take
the bait (check your calendars, boys!), I nominate Jeff Merkey!
Tim
Linus Torvalds wrote:
> ... rediscovering that balance I had in my life
> before you all took my hobby and made it into a mass movement. I have
> not decided who should take over maintenance of the kernel ...
The obvious candidate is then the man who can take Linux back
to its roots as a simple little system hobbyists can play with,
Professor Andrew Tanenbaum.
I see the human centered readers of this group have forgotton who made
Linux great. It is I - Tux T. Penguin - who am the right leader for
the future. Loveable, slightly chubby and I only need a few herring
to live on.
Tux
---------------- Have a happy GNU millennium! ----------------------
/ Tux T. Penguin | Hug a herring and be happy \
\ __________________________|________________________________________/
That money isn't coming from Nigeria, either.
} I am told this was an april fools email. Oh well.
}
} :-)
}
} Jeff
}
} Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
}
} > Linus Torvalds wrote:
} >
} >
} > Dearest Linus,
} >
} > Coming from one who was at the top of the food chain at Novell, and
} > abandoned it, I will tell you that a day will come when you wish you
} > hadn't taken this step. If you leave it, and try to come back, it
} > will never be the same. After all, it's the journey that is it's own
} > reward, not the end game. You are a winner, BTW, whatever path you
} > choose to take.
} > If you are hell-bent on this path, I nominate Alan Cox. He's not
} > perfect, but he's smart, tough, and has an excellent leadership skills
} > and vision..
} > U-na-le-nv-hi U-da-do-li-s-di (May the creator bless your steps
} > and watch over you)
} >
} > Do-na-da Go-hv-i (See you around, brother)
} >
} > Wa-do (Thanks)
} >
} > Wa-ya Ge-tlv-hv-s-di (Jeff V. Merkey)
} >
} > Jeff
} >
} >
} >
} >
} >
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I am told this was an april fools email. Oh well.
:-)
Jeff
Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
>
> Dearest Linus,
>
> Coming from one who was at the top of the food chain at Novell, and
> abandoned it, I will tell you that a day will come when you wish you
> hadn't taken this step. If you leave it, and try to come back, it
> will never be the same. After all, it's the journey that is it's own
> reward, not the end game. You are a winner, BTW, whatever path you
> choose to take.
> If you are hell-bent on this path, I nominate Alan Cox. He's not
> perfect, but he's smart, tough, and has an excellent leadership skills
> and vision..
> U-na-le-nv-hi U-da-do-li-s-di (May the creator bless your steps
> and watch over you)
>
> Do-na-da Go-hv-i (See you around, brother)
>
> Wa-do (Thanks)
>
> Wa-ya Ge-tlv-hv-s-di (Jeff V. Merkey)
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>You have until the end of April 1, 23:59 Pacific Time to submit your
>nominations to the list. The most nominated person will become the leader
>of kernel development. I will examine the list of nominations and,
>
So, 23:59 is getting closer some countries around the world, i dont
think changing
the leader attacks the right problem. What's needed is to change to the
project
model, course there to many hackers that produces to much code, we need
more administrative
people for organisation purposes, and using a project model like
"PROPS" would
be perfect for future Linux kernel development.
if it's not to late, then i'll nominate Bill Gates as future kernel
development leader.
/[email protected]
PS. you dont know what PROPS is? just never take a job where they stands
for PROPS if you
think you are a hacker.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
> So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
> I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
Uh ... IIRC April Fool's Day is of French origin, not Anglo-Saxon. At
least that was what I was taught in an Anglo-Saxon (USA) school :)
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On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Benny Sjostrand wrote:
> PS. you dont know what PROPS is? just never take a job where they stands
> for PROPS if you
> think you are a hacker.
$ dict props
1 definition found
>From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
Props \Props\, n. pl.
A game of chance, in which four sea shells, each called a
prop, are used instead of dice.
Hrm, which takes us back to the CLAMS.
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Diego Calleja wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 00:00:00 -0700 (PDT)
> Linus Torvalds <[email protected]> escribi?:
>
>>Fellow hackers,
>>
>>
>
> I thought Linus wasn't here.....he's on holidays...
He isn't 'here' here being at work.
He's "here" (here being in the world). It's quite possible that
someone on vacation would have the time to take a look at his
(or her, where he a she) life and decide "You know, this is
bullshit". Such looking and deciding would then lead to a
communication such as what we have witnessed here..
Such a decision having been come to, the magicks of email
empower a person to be in communication from almost anywhere
in the world. You may not be aware of such magickal capabilities
of email. but if that's the case, I would suggest that you are on
the wrong mailing list.
Happy April Fools Day.
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Followup to: <[email protected]>
By author: "J.A. Magallon" <[email protected]>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
>
> So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
> I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
>
April Fool's Day (1 april) is quite popular in Scandinavia, for
example. At least in Sweden, even the so-called "legitimate news
media" get into it, usually with exactly one fake story per
publication/news program. The day after the newspapers usually let
you know which one it was, and what other newspapers did :)
-hpa
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Am Dienstag, 2. April 2002 01:09 schrieb M. Edward (Ed) Borasky:
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
> > So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
> > I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
>
> Uh ... IIRC April Fool's Day is of French origin, not Anglo-Saxon. At
> least that was what I was taught in an Anglo-Saxon (USA) school :)
I read in an newspaper, that there are about 800 [read eighthundred] possible origins for April Fool's Day.
Johnny
On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:37:21AM -0700, Enkh Tumenbayar mentioned:
> 1. What is Linus' new company (if he is changing a job), considering the
> fact that this is his last day at Transmeta
Someone sent this onto me;
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/events/officexp/images/launch02.jpg
This could be Linus's new job...
Kate
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On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 16:56:29 -0800
Stephen Samuel <[email protected]> escribi?:
> He isn't 'here' here being at work.
> He's "here" (here being in the world). It's quite possible that
> someone on vacation would have the time to take a look at his
> (or her, where he a she) life and decide "You know, this is
> bullshit". Such looking and deciding would then lead to a
> communication such as what we have witnessed here..
>
> Such a decision having been come to, the magicks of email
> empower a person to be in communication from almost anywhere
> in the world. You may not be aware of such magickal capabilities
> of email. but if that's the case, I would suggest that you are on
> the wrong mailing list.
Oh yes. But I suppose that if he's said he's not going to be here because of vacances,
then I must think that he's not going to send any mail to this list and he's not going to think
in linux for a few days.
>
> Happy April Fools Day.
> --
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> http://www.bcgreen.com/~samuel/
> Powerful committed communication, reaching through fear, uncertainty and
> doubt to touch the jewel within each person and bring it to life.
>
> So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
> I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
In Spain, this day is 28 December. So I didn't tkink it was a joke....
On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:56:05 +0200
Diego Calleja <[email protected]> wrote:
> > So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
> > I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
>
> In Spain, this day is 28 December. So I didn't tkink it was a joke....
> -
Are you joking with us? As far as I know, spain has the same date as the rest of Europe? But, you sould know.. isn't it great. You learn something new every day... or ?
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Hi Erik,
what planet are we talking about ?
I mean - I know about time zones, - but _December_ ??
cheers^2, Jens
Erik Ljungstr?m wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:56:05 +0200
> Diego Calleja <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
> > > I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
> >
> > In Spain, this day is 28 December. So I didn't tkink it was a joke....
> > -
>
> Are you joking with us? As far as I know, spain has the same date as the rest of Europe? But, you sould know.. isn't it great. You learn something new every day... or ?
>
> --
> Best regards, Erik
----- Original Message -----
From: "Diego Calleja" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Linux needs new leadership.
> > So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
> > I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
>
> In Spain, this day is 28 December. So I didn't tkink it was a joke....
Anyway you have now learned that e-mails are easily forged... don't trust
anything you see on the 'net. Also now you know what happens on the date of
April the 1st (even though I myself often forgets...)
/Martin
?m wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:56:05 +0200
> Diego Calleja <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
> > > I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
> >
> > In Spain, this day is 28 December. So I didn't tkink it was a joke....
> > -
>
> Are you joking with us? As far as I know, spain has the same date as the rest
of Europe? But, you sould know.. isn't it great. You learn something new every
day... or ?
>
> --
> Best regards, Erik
On Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:49:05 +1200
Jens Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Erik,
> what planet are we talking about ?
> I mean - I know about time zones, - but _December_ ??
> cheers^2, Jens
>
> Erik Ljungstr?m wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:56:05 +0200
> > Diego Calleja <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
> > > > I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
> > >
> > > In Spain, this day is 28 December. So I didn't tkink it was a joke....
> > > -
> >
> > Are you joking with us? As far as I know, spain has the same date as the rest of Europe? But, you sould know.. isn't it great. You learn something new every day... or ?
> >
> > --
> > Best regards, Erik
Heh.. read the mail once again, and see who actually said that part about the date being 28 december :) I was questioning Diego Calleja <[email protected]>
when he made his statement. I suppose I read his mail the wrong way.
What he actually meant was that the day in spain that's equivalent with our 1st of April is 28th December :)
--
Best regards, Erik
On 2002.04.02 Erik Ljungstr?m wrote:
>On Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:49:05 +1200
>Jens Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Erik,
>> what planet are we talking about ?
>> I mean - I know about time zones, - but _December_ ??
>> cheers^2, Jens
>>
>> Erik Ljungstr?m wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:56:05 +0200
>> > Diego Calleja <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
>> > > > I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
>> > >
>> > > In Spain, this day is 28 December. So I didn't tkink it was a joke....
>> > > -
>> >
>> > Are you joking with us? As far as I know, spain has the same date as the rest of Europe? But, you sould know.. isn't it great. You learn something new every day... or ?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best regards, Erik
>
>Heh.. read the mail once again, and see who actually said that part about the date being 28 december :) I was questioning Diego Calleja <[email protected]>
>when he made his statement. I suppose I read his mail the wrong way.
>What he actually meant was that the day in spain that's equivalent with our 1st of April is 28th December :)
>
Yes, it is called something like </warn wild free translation>
'innocent children day' or just innocent's day </warn>.
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Replying to H. Peter Anvin:
> April Fool's Day (1 april) is quite popular in Scandinavia, for
> example. At least in Sweden, even the so-called "legitimate news
> media" get into it, usually with exactly one fake story per
> publication/news program. The day after the newspapers usually let
> you know which one it was, and what other newspapers did :)
One of major facultys in our university (actually, mech & math) celebrating
this day as it's official holiday. With stage, and students jokes about
professors. :)))
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Hristo Doichev
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:32 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: Linus Torvalds
> Subject: Re: Linux needs new leadership.
>
> Bill Gates.
> If we only had him as a leader money will be flowing like a river
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Not to mention the fact that he would immediately release patches to
every MUA so that they automatically insert the text you type on top
of the message you reply to, don't put proper quote-marks on the
beginning of each line, and don't strip signatures.
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On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:00:59PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Followup to: <[email protected]>
> By author: "J.A. Magallon" <[email protected]>
> In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
> >
> > So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
> > I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
> April Fool's Day (1 april) is quite popular in Scandinavia, for
> example. At least in Sweden, even the so-called "legitimate news
> media" get into it, usually with exactly one fake story per
> publication/news program. The day after the newspapers usually let
> you know which one it was, and what other newspapers did :)
Linus seems to like to put that extra special effort into
his annual presentations. I remember a couple years back when he
hit us with one from Finland (ok, several years back) that was just
a few SECONDS after midnight, his local time (GMT?). It meant that
most of us here in the burbs (US) got caught before it was April 1,
our time. It's that special touch that endears him to us and got him
threatened with bodily harm... >;-/=/
I don't recall that he ever did tell us if he sat up all night
hovering over the send key or if he lit off a cron (at) job to do his
dirty work... With the proven reliability of his creation, I guess he
could have slept well that night and merely awoke to the havok he
triggered...
> -hpa
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On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 03:09:41PM -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
> > So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
> > I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
> Uh ... IIRC April Fool's Day is of French origin, not Anglo-Saxon. At
> least that was what I was taught in an Anglo-Saxon (USA) school :)
Funny... I'm in the US and was taught it was the druid new year
and that the Christians that overran England called all the old druids
"fools" for honoring the old date for the new year.
But, I guess, it's as someone else pointed out, a holiday of
many origins. As are most of our holidays. Plagerized from others...
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> unwieldy and hazardously complex development environment and is run by
> an arrogant college dropout with delusions of grandeur who treats his
> employees like serfs while he is acclaimed as a man of compelling
> vision, I'd be a wealthy man.
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On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:37:21AM -0700, Enkh Tumenbayar wrote:
> 1. What is Linus' new company (if he is changing a job), considering the
> fact that this is his last day at Transmeta
> 2. Is this serious or just a joke? I hope it is.
No. Not a joke. An April Fools day tradition going back many
many years...
Does anyone have a complete set of Linus' "I'm quiting Linux"
April 1 postings? I'm sure I can dig the recent few years out of the
archives... They rank (in both sense of the word) right up there with
the annual April 1 RFCs... What is this years? "Electricity over IP"
I think?
> Enkh
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"Michael H. Warfield" wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:37:21AM -0700, Enkh Tumenbayar wrote:
>
> > 1. What is Linus' new company (if he is changing a job), considering the
> > fact that this is his last day at Transmeta
>
> > 2. Is this serious or just a joke? I hope it is.
>
> No. Not a joke. An April Fools day tradition going back many
> many years...
>
> Does anyone have a complete set of Linus' "I'm quiting Linux"
> April 1 postings? I'm sure I can dig the recent few years out of the
> archives... They rank (in both sense of the word) right up there with
> the annual April 1 RFCs... What is this years? "Electricity over IP"
> I think?
>
> > Enkh
>
> Mike
"Electricity over IP" is right up there with the Google(tm) Pigeon
Clusters a fine addition to the tradition IMHO.
Cheers,
Dave
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 10:49:12PM -0500, David B. Stevens wrote:
> "Michael H. Warfield" wrote:
[...]
> > Does anyone have a complete set of Linus' "I'm quiting Linux"
> > April 1 postings? I'm sure I can dig the recent few years out of the
> > archives... They rank (in both sense of the word) right up there with
> > the annual April 1 RFCs... What is this years? "Electricity over IP"
> > I think?
> > > Enkh
> > Mike
> "Electricity over IP" is right up there with the Google(tm) Pigeon
> Clusters a fine addition to the tradition IMHO.
Agreed, but one of my favorites was RFC 1097, "TELNET
SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE Option". That one had people FURIOUS and SCREAMING
when it came out. It was declared unethical and illegal. Then someone
pointed out that the option code BYTE value was 257. :-> That and
the date of April 1, 1989 (Ok, I'm an old fart) delivered a rather
major clue by four to the side of some stiff necks. :-)
But, yes... Electricity over IP joins the hallowed halls of
honored April 1 RFCs...
> Cheers,
> Dave
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Followup to: <[email protected]>
By author: "Michael H. Warfield" <[email protected]>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
>
> > "Electricity over IP" is right up there with the Google(tm) Pigeon
> > Clusters a fine addition to the tradition IMHO.
>
> Agreed, but one of my favorites was RFC 1097, "TELNET
> SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE Option". That one had people FURIOUS and SCREAMING
> when it came out. It was declared unethical and illegal. Then someone
> pointed out that the option code BYTE value was 257. :-> That and
> the date of April 1, 1989 (Ok, I'm an old fart) delivered a rather
> major clue by four to the side of some stiff necks. :-)
>
> But, yes... Electricity over IP joins the hallowed halls of
> honored April 1 RFCs...
>
Nothing beats RFC 1437, though...
-hpa
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On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 02:59:50AM +0200, H?vard Lygre wrote:
> Not to mention the fact that he would immediately release patches to
> every MUA so that they automatically insert the text you type on top
> of the message you reply to, don't put proper quote-marks on the
> beginning of each line, and don't strip signatures.
i think you have outlook confused with lotus notes. outlook (and
outlook express) can _easily_ be configured to do all of those. i WILL
send a case of beer to the first person to tell me how to do that in a
standard notes r5 windows client. 2 cases of beer if you can make it
integrate gvim as the default editor.
j.
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Yeah, december 28, as the rest of LatinAmerica (and Argentina, and
Chile, and Uruguay) ;-)
Jens Schmidt wrote:
>Hi Erik,
>what planet are we talking about ?
>I mean - I know about time zones, - but _December_ ??
>cheers^2, Jens
>
>Erik Ljungstr?m wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:56:05 +0200
>>Diego Calleja <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
>>>>I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
>>>>
>>>In Spain, this day is 28 December. So I didn't tkink it was a joke....
>>>-
>>>
>>Are you joking with us? As far as I know, spain has the same date as the rest of Europe? But, you sould know.. isn't it great. You learn something new every day... or ?
>>
>>--
>>Best regards, Erik
>>
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Untill the V century north of french and britain were almost
the same culture, and same people.
More antically they were both celt people, one
talking pimp dialect the other talking coic dialect.
(pimp and coic are the same word "five",
latin quinque, from whom italian and gallo-romance, greeck pente. it is
the same work,
where labiovelar qw has been changed from indueuropean to different
consonants, latin conserved them greeck changed to p, and so on).
On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 03:09:41PM -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, J.A. Magallon wrote:
>
> > > So think on all non-anglo-saxon people reading the list....
> > > I took me some time to associate 2002.04.01 with jokes...
>
> > Uh ... IIRC April Fool's Day is of French origin, not Anglo-Saxon. At
> > least that was what I was taught in an Anglo-Saxon (USA) school :)
>
> Funny... I'm in the US and was taught it was the druid new year
> and that the Christians that overran England called all the old druids
> "fools" for honoring the old date for the new year.
>
> But, I guess, it's as someone else pointed out, a holiday of
> many origins. As are most of our holidays. Plagerized from others...
>
> > --
> > M. Edward Borasky
> > [email protected]
>
> > The COUGAR Project
> > http://www.borasky-research.com/Cougar.htm
>
> > If I had 40 billion dollars for every software monopoly that sells an
> > unwieldy and hazardously complex development environment and is run by
> > an arrogant college dropout with delusions of grandeur who treats his
> > employees like serfs while he is acclaimed as a man of compelling
> > vision, I'd be a wealthy man.
>
> Mike
> --
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> Untill the V century north of french and britain were almost
> the same culture, and same people.
Vaguely. And calling them "celts" is the historical community equivalent of
saying "emacs is the one true editor".
The origin is all a bit of mystery but it appears to be From c16 French and
was adopted over time in the UK and then copied by the US. Lots of parts of
the world have different dates (Spain, Mexico its Dec 28th) - historically
Rome celebrated a similar event very late March (Hilaria) and the end of
Holi in India is also the end of March.
Bizarrely enough all this came up in the localisation of at least one Gnome
program
Pablo> Yeah, december 28, as the rest of LatinAmerica (and Argentina, and
Pablo> Chile, and Uruguay) ;-)
Since when Argentina, Chile and Urugay are not part of LatinAmerica?
Canek
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and a boy for ever.
-- Helen Rowland
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Untill the V century north of french and britain were almost
> > the same culture, and same people.
>
> Vaguely. And calling them "celts" is the historical community equivalent of
> saying "emacs is the one true editor".
non properly. Caesar, ad example, was able to notice how similar were
galli and britanni as a common people, so that he was considering them in
the de bello gallico, as mutch related as latini and romani, or umbri and
romani. On the other side, he was noticing how different they were from
germani (both alemanni, and goti from whom longobardi, who ten lived in
actual sudeti, and during high medium aevum in norther Italy, lombardia,
being my ancients if it is trues that: germani cui brevitas nostra
contemptui est), and helvetii.
Sometimes it is difficult to remember that english, as european, have a
similar education at school like us, and so they develop a tendence in
ancient past.
Do you still study latin and greek at high school like us?
>
> The origin is all a bit of mystery but it appears to be From c16 French and
> was adopted over time in the UK and then copied by the US. Lots of parts of
> the world have different dates (Spain, Mexico its Dec 28th) - historically
> Rome celebrated a similar event very late March (Hilaria) and the end of
> Holi in India is also the end of March.
>
> Bizarrely enough all this came up in the localisation of at least one Gnome
> program
???
>
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