2003-03-17 02:03:21

by Stuart MacDonald

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Subject: Re: Never ever send Pavel private mail unless you want him to publish it.

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Unlikely. Email is more akin to the 'informal letter' of the 19th and
20th
> century. There is an expectation of privacy.

Email is publically readable by any person in the transmission system,
exactly the same way postcards are. It is *not* like a letter in the
simple fact that a letter is sealed and therefore unreadable (legally)
by the transmission system.

..Stu



2003-03-17 02:07:35

by David Lang

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Subject: Re: Never ever send Pavel private mail unless you want him to publish it.

which says nothing at all aobut the person at the receiving end publishing
it., sealed or not that person has the ability to do so.

now if the question is if it is polite to do so we have a completely
different discussion

David Lang

On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Stuart MacDonald wrote:

> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:16:37 -0500
> From: Stuart MacDonald <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: "Lkml (E-mail)" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Never ever send Pavel private mail unless you want him to
> publish it.
>
> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > Unlikely. Email is more akin to the 'informal letter' of the 19th and
> 20th
> > century. There is an expectation of privacy.
>
> Email is publically readable by any person in the transmission system,
> exactly the same way postcards are. It is *not* like a letter in the
> simple fact that a letter is sealed and therefore unreadable (legally)
> by the transmission system.
>
> ..Stu
>
>
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2003-03-17 04:27:30

by [email protected]

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Subject: RE: Never ever send Pavel private mail unless you want him to publish it.

Well, you have your opinion, I have mine.

I think we can agree at least that what he did was unethical.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of David Lang
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:16 PM
> To: Stuart MacDonald
> Cc: [email protected]; Lkml (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: Never ever send Pavel private mail unless you want him to
> publish it.
>
>
> which says nothing at all aobut the person at the receiving
> end publishing
> it., sealed or not that person has the ability to do so.
>
> now if the question is if it is polite to do so we have a completely
> different discussion
>
> David Lang
>
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Stuart MacDonald wrote:
>
> > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:16:37 -0500
> > From: Stuart MacDonald <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Cc: "Lkml (E-mail)" <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: Never ever send Pavel private mail unless you
> want him to
> > publish it.
> >
> > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > Unlikely. Email is more akin to the 'informal letter' of
> the 19th and
> > 20th
> > > century. There is an expectation of privacy.
> >
> > Email is publically readable by any person in the
> transmission system,
> > exactly the same way postcards are. It is *not* like a letter in the
> > simple fact that a letter is sealed and therefore
> unreadable (legally)
> > by the transmission system.
> >
> > ..Stu
> >
> >
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2003-03-17 06:10:26

by Oliver Xymoron

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Subject: Re: Never ever send Pavel private mail unless you want him to publish it.

On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 10:37:49PM -0600, [email protected] wrote:
> Well, you have your opinion, I have mine.
>
> I think we can agree at least that what he did was unethical.

Hardly. If people send me anything threatening via email, legal or
otherwise, they have already kissed any form of 'etiquette' goodbye
and can expect it to show up on the web promptly. And yes, what Larry
wrote to Pavel certainly had an implied threat of legal action,
whether or not he had any sort of case.

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2003-03-17 14:45:14

by [email protected]

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Subject: RE: Never ever send Pavel private mail unless you want him to publish it.

Please respond in private, if you must respond at all. Peter declared this
whole thing offtopic, so this will be my last response to the list.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oliver Xymoron [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:21 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: 'Lkml (E-mail)'
> Subject: Re: Never ever send Pavel private mail unless you want him to
> publish it.
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 10:37:49PM -0600, [email protected] wrote:
> > Well, you have your opinion, I have mine.
> > I think we can agree at least that what he did was unethical.
> Hardly. If people send me anything threatening via email, legal or
> otherwise, they have already kissed any form of 'etiquette' goodbye
> and can expect it to show up on the web promptly. And yes, what Larry
> wrote to Pavel certainly had an implied threat of legal action,
> whether or not he had any sort of case.

Hardly. I view it much more like an attempt to "stir the pot"
intentionally. He knew that popular sentiment was against Larry, and did
this with the intent to make Larry look worse. He accomplished that, and I
think it was intentional. Anyway, I'll stop here. I'm trying very hard to
respect Peter's declaration that this is off-topic in LKML which is why I
stoped cc'ing the list before.

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