2022-05-20 10:51:25

by David Laight

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Subject: RE: [PATCH v2 03/28] vsprintf: %pf(%p)

From: Kent Overstreet
> Sent: 19 May 2022 18:24
>
> This implements two new format strings: both do the same thing, one more
> compatible with current gcc format string checking, the other that we'd
> like to standardize:
>
> %p(%p) - more compatible
> %(%p) - more prettier
>
> Both can take variable numbers of arguments, i.e. %(%p,%p,%p).
>
> They're used to indicate that snprintf or pr_buf should interpret the
> next argument as a pretty-printer function to call, and subsequent
> arguments within the parentheses should be passed to the pretty-printer.

I suspect this a very good way to blow the kernel stack.
The highest stack use is already very likely to be inside
the printf code in an error path somewhere.

...
> The goal is to replace most of our %p format extensions with this
> interface, and to move pretty-printers out of the core vsprintf.c code -

One advantage of the current scheme is that is reasonably safe
and easy to use.
Perhaps too many extra formats have been added recently.
This all seems like a recipe for disaster with functions being
called with the wrong number of parameters
(I can't think how you can compile-time check it).

Double copying using a temporary buffer isn't the end of the world.
It is only a problem because pr_cont() is basically impossible.
But since kernel printf ought to be formatted to reasonable
line length that isn't really an issue.
printf() is expensive an extra memory copy is probably noise.

...
> Currently, we can only call pretty printers with pointer arguments. This
> could be changed to also allow at least integer arguments in the future
> by using libffi.

I'm sure I remember something else trying to use that.
IIRC it is basically broken by design.

David

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2022-05-20 18:13:04

by Kent Overstreet

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/28] vsprintf: %pf(%p)

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 09:06:24PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> From: Kent Overstreet
> > Sent: 19 May 2022 18:24
> >
> > This implements two new format strings: both do the same thing, one more
> > compatible with current gcc format string checking, the other that we'd
> > like to standardize:
> >
> > %p(%p) - more compatible
> > %(%p) - more prettier
> >
> > Both can take variable numbers of arguments, i.e. %(%p,%p,%p).
> >
> > They're used to indicate that snprintf or pr_buf should interpret the
> > next argument as a pretty-printer function to call, and subsequent
> > arguments within the parentheses should be passed to the pretty-printer.
>
> I suspect this a very good way to blow the kernel stack.
> The highest stack use is already very likely to be inside
> the printf code in an error path somewhere.

By getting rid of stack allocated buffers, I've been _reducing_ stack usage.
Also, the new printbuf calling convention reduces stack usage as well.

It's true that we'll want to keep the stack usage of pr_buf -> pretty printer ->
pr_buf again minimal, but I don't see any difficulties there the way the code is
structured now.

>
> ...
> > The goal is to replace most of our %p format extensions with this
> > interface, and to move pretty-printers out of the core vsprintf.c code -
>
> One advantage of the current scheme is that is reasonably safe
> and easy to use.
> Perhaps too many extra formats have been added recently.
> This all seems like a recipe for disaster with functions being
> called with the wrong number of parameters
> (I can't think how you can compile-time check it).

We can't check it at compile time yet, it's true - printf format checking will
need to be extended. But we're already talking about doing that.

> Double copying using a temporary buffer isn't the end of the world.
> It is only a problem because pr_cont() is basically impossible.
> But since kernel printf ought to be formatted to reasonable
> line length that isn't really an issue.
> printf() is expensive an extra memory copy is probably noise.
>
> ...
> > Currently, we can only call pretty printers with pointer arguments. This
> > could be changed to also allow at least integer arguments in the future
> > by using libffi.
>
> I'm sure I remember something else trying to use that.
> IIRC it is basically broken by design.

Hmm? libffi is the standard for calling C from a lot of languages. If it's
broken by design, that's some real news. And it does constructed function calls,
which is exactly what we need here.

2022-05-21 19:19:16

by Andy Shevchenko

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/28] vsprintf: %pf(%p)

On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 12:49:24AM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 09:06:24PM +0000, David Laight wrote:

...

> > > The goal is to replace most of our %p format extensions with this
> > > interface, and to move pretty-printers out of the core vsprintf.c code -
> >
> > One advantage of the current scheme is that is reasonably safe
> > and easy to use.
> > Perhaps too many extra formats have been added recently.
> > This all seems like a recipe for disaster with functions being
> > called with the wrong number of parameters
> > (I can't think how you can compile-time check it).
>
> We can't check it at compile time yet, it's true - printf format checking will
> need to be extended. But we're already talking about doing that.

I have heard about GCC plugin, which also may check the %p extension usages.


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With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko



2022-05-23 05:50:57

by Matthew Wilcox

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/28] vsprintf: %pf(%p)

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 09:06:24PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> I suspect this a very good way to blow the kernel stack.
> The highest stack use is already very likely to be inside
> the printf code in an error path somewhere.

...

> Double copying using a temporary buffer isn't the end of the world.

How can you hold both of these positions simultaneously?