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[email protected] wrote:
[ Would you please quite removing the attribution from mailing list
posts? I know you don't care to keep it in the kernel, but at least let
people know who said what in this completely pointless thread... ]
Jesper>>| There are other rewards than money.
jcm>> Al summed it up quite well earlier. Jeff probably wants to get the
jcm>> lining on his tinfoil hat thickened to avoid the brain lazers
getting in
jcm>> any further. Check those bushes for Novell snipers too - you never
know
jcm>> when they'll pop out and come to get you, like everyone else
everywhere.
*Strong medication*. Very strong. Now with added eucalyptus! It'll make
removing all that code easier. Ya know, you don't like cdrom support in
your kernel (and claim it corrupts memory on your SuSE box...that's
cute) but I've never much like memory management or CPU support in my
kernel. I say you rip out everything under kernel/ and mm/ just in case.
After all, Novell operatives might have secretly corrupted it, eh? ;-).
|>50,000USD is a patheticly small amount to pay for the kernel, there's
|>nothing wrong with the current licensing model, and people already make
|>big bucks from Linux. Several of those aren't just dot-coms that went
|>tits up later either - and most of them emply core kernel hackers.
I meant that too. Just think about it - with the number of contributors
in the kernel you'll have to offer a lot of money before even a few of
them start to hear cash register sounds in their head. I expect it is
graphable, but I've never actually that eye-rolling-dollar-sign thing
that happens in the various cartoons. By the time it's diluted down, is
the guy entitled to 0.05 cents really going to be suddenly convinced
that all this time he was secretly after money but didn't realize it?
| Not for a license to a single snapshot of a single 2.6.X or 2.4.X
| version.
I'd argue that the kernel is entirely priceless. It's better than that,
more advanced, now extra-caffeinated with added pro-V complex!
| I agree this isn't about money.
...oh but you think this pointless endeavour of yours will actually get
you somewhere other than in even more killfiles. I really shouldn't feed
the troll but it's oh so hard to resist. I mean, you seem like a fun
crazy sort of guy. So far I've seen:
~ *). Intense bitterness at Novell.
~ *). Signs of paranoid delusion.
~ *). A fundamental missunderstanding of the GPL.
~ *). Various other random craziness.
Tell me, Mr Jeff, of various mail domains (does that make you feel
bigger and better than the rest of us?) are you funded by Microsoft to
suggest this stuff or do you truly believe it? Really? Truly? I mean,
I'd much rather hear you're being paid to say this shite.
| It's about control and using the GPL to control what happens.
...by undermininging it and opening the floor to bribary. What would
those damn Novell snipers say about that?
| The offer is for real.
I doubt that greatly. Actually no, I don't. I believe there are crazy
people in the US with lots of money who'll think this is a good idea.
Jon.
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On Friday 08 October 2004 03:15, Jon Masters wrote:
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>[email protected] wrote:
>
>[ Would you please quite removing the attribution from mailing list
>posts? I know you don't care to keep it in the kernel, but at least
> let people know who said what in this completely pointless
> thread... ]
>
>Jesper>>| There are other rewards than money.
>
>jcm>> Al summed it up quite well earlier. Jeff probably wants to get
> the jcm>> lining on his tinfoil hat thickened to avoid the brain
> lazers getting in
>jcm>> any further. Check those bushes for Novell snipers too - you
> never know
>jcm>> when they'll pop out and come to get you, like everyone else
>everywhere.
>
>*Strong medication*. Very strong. Now with added eucalyptus! It'll
> make removing all that code easier. Ya know, you don't like cdrom
> support in your kernel (and claim it corrupts memory on your SuSE
> box...that's cute) but I've never much like memory management or
> CPU support in my kernel. I say you rip out everything under
> kernel/ and mm/ just in case. After all, Novell operatives might
> have secretly corrupted it, eh? ;-).
>
>|>50,000USD is a patheticly small amount to pay for the kernel,
>|> there's nothing wrong with the current licensing model, and
>|> people already make big bucks from Linux. Several of those aren't
>|> just dot-coms that went tits up later either - and most of them
>|> emply core kernel hackers.
>
>I meant that too. Just think about it - with the number of
> contributors in the kernel you'll have to offer a lot of money
> before even a few of them start to hear cash register sounds in
> their head. I expect it is graphable, but I've never actually that
> eye-rolling-dollar-sign thing that happens in the various cartoons.
> By the time it's diluted down, is the guy entitled to 0.05 cents
> really going to be suddenly convinced that all this time he was
> secretly after money but didn't realize it?
>
>| Not for a license to a single snapshot of a single 2.6.X or 2.4.X
>| version.
>
>I'd argue that the kernel is entirely priceless. It's better than
> that, more advanced, now extra-caffeinated with added pro-V
> complex!
>
>| I agree this isn't about money.
>
>...oh but you think this pointless endeavour of yours will actually
> get you somewhere other than in even more killfiles. I really
> shouldn't feed the troll but it's oh so hard to resist. I mean, you
> seem like a fun crazy sort of guy. So far I've seen:
>
>~ *). Intense bitterness at Novell.
>~ *). Signs of paranoid delusion.
>~ *). A fundamental missunderstanding of the GPL.
>~ *). Various other random craziness.
>
>Tell me, Mr Jeff, of various mail domains (does that make you feel
>bigger and better than the rest of us?) are you funded by Microsoft
> to suggest this stuff or do you truly believe it? Really? Truly? I
> mean, I'd much rather hear you're being paid to say this shite.
>
>| It's about control and using the GPL to control what happens.
>
>...by undermininging it and opening the floor to bribary. What would
>those damn Novell snipers say about that?
>
>| The offer is for real.
>
>I doubt that greatly. Actually no, I don't. I believe there are
> crazy people in the US with lots of money who'll think this is a
> good idea.
>
>Jon.
Yeah there are Jon, and his initials are probably BG. I've been
following this thread, first in amazement, followed by disbelief,
since it started yesterday, and the only thing my 6th sense is
telling me is that this is an attempt to undermine the GPL by someone
like M$ so that they can take it to court and successfully render it
moot.
At one point he's talking about $50,000 for a snapshot, then next he's
saying $50,000 per copyright holder, and how that would end up being
millions. A new story with almost every message, and coming from
several addresses, at one point from drdos.com, so I went over to see
if he was actually listed there but couldn't find a reference. Ditto
for the *panogas address. And I haven't looked at comcast as that is
an ISP with several million addresses IIRC.
This old (70, and more user than coder now) fart associate member of
the FSF is more and more convinced he's a troll, out only to
contaminate the GPL and a few million to do that is just chicken feed
to his backers. And make no mistake, the sucessfull contamination of
the GPL could be worth many billions of dollars to M$ et all. Thats
the most obvious 'SWAG' candidate as the real source of all this
largess.
My $0.02: Deal with the likes of him at the peril of the GPL.
Here's another question that needs answered too, why the hell isn't
Linus in the To: or Cc: list? (He is now!) After all, his approval
would be the first thing you would need, isn't it Jeff? Again, one
more clue that this looks like the fox, trying to sneak in under the
henhouse radar.
--
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
99.27% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly
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On Friday 08 October 2004 08:38, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Friday 08 October 2004 03:15, Jon Masters wrote:
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>>[email protected] wrote:
Interesting too, that address just changed its name to Duncan, it
bounced like a yo-yo. One more clue that this is the fox, trying to
sneak into the penguinhouse for a killing. I just took him out of
the Cc: list...
I repeat:
>My $0.02: Deal with the likes of him at the peril of the GPL.
--
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
99.27% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly
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Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 08 October 2004 03:15, Jon Masters wrote:
>
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>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>[ Would you please quite removing the attribution from mailing list
>>posts? I know you don't care to keep it in the kernel, but at least
>>let people know who said what in this completely pointless
>>thread... ]
>>
>>Jesper>>| There are other rewards than money.
>>
>>jcm>> Al summed it up quite well earlier. Jeff probably wants to get
>>the jcm>> lining on his tinfoil hat thickened to avoid the brain
>>lazers getting in
>>jcm>> any further. Check those bushes for Novell snipers too - you
>>never know
>>jcm>> when they'll pop out and come to get you, like everyone else
>>everywhere.
>>
>>*Strong medication*. Very strong. Now with added eucalyptus! It'll
>>make removing all that code easier. Ya know, you don't like cdrom
>>support in your kernel (and claim it corrupts memory on your SuSE
>>box...that's cute) but I've never much like memory management or
>>CPU support in my kernel. I say you rip out everything under
>>kernel/ and mm/ just in case. After all, Novell operatives might
>>have secretly corrupted it, eh? ;-).
>>
>>|>50,000USD is a patheticly small amount to pay for the kernel,
>>|> there's nothing wrong with the current licensing model, and
>>|> people already make big bucks from Linux. Several of those aren't
>>|> just dot-coms that went tits up later either - and most of them
>>|> emply core kernel hackers.
>>
>>I meant that too. Just think about it - with the number of
>>contributors in the kernel you'll have to offer a lot of money
>>before even a few of them start to hear cash register sounds in
>>their head. I expect it is graphable, but I've never actually that
>>eye-rolling-dollar-sign thing that happens in the various cartoons.
>>By the time it's diluted down, is the guy entitled to 0.05 cents
>>really going to be suddenly convinced that all this time he was
>>secretly after money but didn't realize it?
>>
>>| Not for a license to a single snapshot of a single 2.6.X or 2.4.X
>>| version.
>>
>>I'd argue that the kernel is entirely priceless. It's better than
>>that, more advanced, now extra-caffeinated with added pro-V
>>complex!
>>
>>| I agree this isn't about money.
>>
>>...oh but you think this pointless endeavour of yours will actually
>>get you somewhere other than in even more killfiles. I really
>>shouldn't feed the troll but it's oh so hard to resist. I mean, you
>>seem like a fun crazy sort of guy. So far I've seen:
>>
>>~ *). Intense bitterness at Novell.
>>~ *). Signs of paranoid delusion.
>>~ *). A fundamental missunderstanding of the GPL.
>>~ *). Various other random craziness.
>>
>>Tell me, Mr Jeff, of various mail domains (does that make you feel
>>bigger and better than the rest of us?) are you funded by Microsoft
>>to suggest this stuff or do you truly believe it? Really? Truly? I
>>mean, I'd much rather hear you're being paid to say this shite.
>>
>>| It's about control and using the GPL to control what happens.
>>
>>...by undermininging it and opening the floor to bribary. What would
>>those damn Novell snipers say about that?
>>
>>| The offer is for real.
>>
>>I doubt that greatly. Actually no, I don't. I believe there are
>>crazy people in the US with lots of money who'll think this is a
>>good idea.
>>
>>Jon.
>
>
> Yeah there are Jon, and his initials are probably BG. I've been
> following this thread, first in amazement, followed by disbelief,
> since it started yesterday, and the only thing my 6th sense is
> telling me is that this is an attempt to undermine the GPL by someone
> like M$ so that they can take it to court and successfully render it
> moot.
>
> At one point he's talking about $50,000 for a snapshot, then next he's
> saying $50,000 per copyright holder, and how that would end up being
> millions. A new story with almost every message, and coming from
> several addresses, at one point from drdos.com, so I went over to see
> if he was actually listed there but couldn't find a reference. Ditto
> for the *panogas address. And I haven't looked at comcast as that is
> an ISP with several million addresses IIRC.
>
> This old (70, and more user than coder now) fart associate member of
> the FSF is more and more convinced he's a troll, out only to
> contaminate the GPL and a few million to do that is just chicken feed
> to his backers. And make no mistake, the sucessfull contamination of
> the GPL could be worth many billions of dollars to M$ et all. Thats
> the most obvious 'SWAG' candidate as the real source of all this
> largess.
>
> My $0.02: Deal with the likes of him at the peril of the GPL.
>
> Here's another question that needs answered too, why the hell isn't
> Linus in the To: or Cc: list? (He is now!) After all, his approval
> would be the first thing you would need, isn't it Jeff? Again, one
> more clue that this looks like the fox, trying to sneak in under the
> henhouse radar.
>
A bit of a historical note is in order. Jeff used to work for Novell...
And had more than a small dispute with them over some linux code he did
that allowed linux to, as I recall, do things with netware 4.x. Novell
took exception as at the time the only other code that did it was closed
source distributed through Caldera.
On Friday 08 October 2004 09:48, Bruce Ferrell wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
[...]
>>
>> Yeah there are Jon, and his initials are probably BG. I've been
>> following this thread, first in amazement, followed by disbelief,
>> since it started yesterday, and the only thing my 6th sense is
>> telling me is that this is an attempt to undermine the GPL by
>> someone like M$ so that they can take it to court and successfully
>> render it moot.
>>
>> At one point he's talking about $50,000 for a snapshot, then next
>> he's saying $50,000 per copyright holder, and how that would end
>> up being millions. A new story with almost every message, and
>> coming from several addresses, at one point from drdos.com, so I
>> went over to see if he was actually listed there but couldn't find
>> a reference. Ditto for the *panogas address. And I haven't looked
>> at comcast as that is an ISP with several million addresses IIRC.
>>
>> This old (70, and more user than coder now) fart associate member
>> of the FSF is more and more convinced he's a troll, out only to
>> contaminate the GPL and a few million to do that is just chicken
>> feed to his backers. And make no mistake, the sucessfull
>> contamination of the GPL could be worth many billions of dollars
>> to M$ et all. Thats the most obvious 'SWAG' candidate as the real
>> source of all this largess.
>>
>> My $0.02: Deal with the likes of him at the peril of the GPL.
>>
>> Here's another question that needs answered too, why the hell
>> isn't Linus in the To: or Cc: list? (He is now!) After all, his
>> approval would be the first thing you would need, isn't it Jeff?
>> Again, one more clue that this looks like the fox, trying to sneak
>> in under the henhouse radar.
>
>A bit of a historical note is in order. Jeff used to work for
> Novell... And had more than a small dispute with them over some
> linux code he did that allowed linux to, as I recall, do things
> with netware 4.x. Novell took exception as at the time the only
> other code that did it was closed source distributed through
> Caldera.
I see, so there is a personal axe to grind here also. I wasn't aware
of that. That places this a lot closer to the trolling scenario (and
a waste of time and bandwidth) than a fox in the henhouse then. And
the troll certainly cannot write a check of sufficient magnitude to
be interesting. All in all, an enlightening thread now, thank you to
those that were there to record history. :-)
--
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
99.27% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly
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