2004-10-19 19:00:41

by Tomas Carnecky

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Subject: my opinion about VGA devices

Hi folks,

I've followed the discussion about the console code restructuring and
framebuffer devices (Generic VESA framebuffer driver and Video card
BOOT) and I'd like to present here my opinion.

That's how I think the device drivers should look like:

A graphics device driver consists of two parts, a kernel module and a
user-space library which are together the 'driver'. Only the user-space
library knows how to operate the device so there is no access to the
graphics device from the kernel.
The kernel module creates a character device which can be opened by any
application with the appropriate rights. The kernel module also
registeres the device to the kernel so the kernel knows which graphics
cards are present and their basic information (vendor, name etc.).
Since the kernel has no access to the device, no messages or text can be
displayed from the kernel, which I think is quite bad during
startup/boot, that's why the kernel module also provides a function for
displaying text. However, you don't want the kernel to draw text
messages to the display while you play doom3 :), that's why this drawing
can be disabled (by init or somewhere in the early userspace
initialization).
An application which want's to use the device opens the character device
and gets the name of the user-space library (user-space driver part) and
loads it. The library has a set of functions (API) which can be used to
access the device. BTW, the user-space library API is OpenGL.
How the kernel and user-space driver part communicate is up to them (or
the programmer). There are no restrictions what to put into user-space
or kernel-space, may the device driver writer decide this. And there are
only two interfaces: one in the kernel (text drawing) and one in the
user-space (OpenGL), nothing between. So the driver can be optimized for
each specific chip, because each chip is different and is meant to be
accessed differently.

I don't like the framebuffer devices or even the DRI drivers because:
most applications use a 'high-level' API for rendering (OpenGL). These
'high-level commands' are translated to 'intermediate commands'
(framebuffer/DRI ioctl calls etc.) before being send to the card as
'low-level commands'. Why this intermediate layer?
Even if the high-level and intermediate commands are similar and you
don't loose much doing the translation (DRI), it is one too much. When
working with music you try to encode/decode your song as few times as
possible. because you loose quality each time (and it takes time). The
same applies to graphics commands, even if you might not loose quality
(I hope), but it is just unnecessary.

Maybe you have noticed that I haven't used 'VGA' even once, that's
because I don't think in terms 'VGA device'. I think in terms 'graphics
device' that's a device which can be used to display 'stuff' on a screen
and I don't care about how it is done, whether using VGA or the card is
in 3D mode and is accessed differently (preferably VGA isn't used at all
for graphics access). The VGA specific problems should be solved on a
lower level, I have the impression that the VGA peoblems are among the
biggest in the world when reading this list. By lower level I mean that
if a driver uses VGA to access the device, it should coordinate with
other VGA devices using a small block in the kernel but it should not be
any major part of the kernel.

I think this would make the suspend/resume/access/switching etc problems
much easier to solve since the kernel module could tell the library to
stop drawing/accessing mmap'ed memory etc. (or if the OpenGL rendering
is done in the kernel module it could just discard the render commands).
Since the user has no direct access to mmap'ed memory and other critical
sections of the device, the driver can implement proper power managment
for suspend/resume etc.

Well... that's it.. any comments? I'm sure you have.. :)

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2004-10-23 16:13:53

by Blizbor

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Subject: Re: my opinion about VGA devices

Tomas Carnecky wrote:

> Well... that's it.. any comments? I'm sure you have.. :)

I can't see clearly what about multiple graphic devices ?
I.e. two headed cards and more than one graphic card instaled.
Let say - four PCI cards, which isn't nonsense. Incoming PCI Express
will again allow for that.
What about multiple text consoles or multiple X displays (in one box).

Regards,
Blizbor.