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The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
2.4? Is it ever going to drop off? Are there a few cards in OSS that
don't work right in ASLA?
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 02:01:43PM -0400, John Richard Moser wrote:
> The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
> 2.4? Is it ever going to drop off? Are there a few cards in OSS that
> don't work right in ASLA?
Already been discussed; check the archives.
Jeff
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Got a lkml.org link or a subject line I should search for? "OSS remove"
"OSS sound remove" "Open sound system" all return garbage.
Jeff Garzik wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 02:01:43PM -0400, John Richard Moser wrote:
>
>>The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
>> 2.4? Is it ever going to drop off? Are there a few cards in OSS that
>>don't work right in ASLA?
>
>
> Already been discussed; check the archives.
>
> Jeff
>
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:48:37 -0400, John Richard Moser wrote
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> Got a lkml.org link or a subject line I should search for? "OSS remove"
> "OSS sound remove" "Open sound system" all return garbage.
Why would you want it to go away? People can decide from which one to use and
make Linux more flexible.
Anyway, I think the archives say something like, it doesn't have to go away,
so why remove it?
.Alejandro
On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 15:12 -0400, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:48:37 -0400, John Richard Moser wrote
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> > Got a lkml.org link or a subject line I should search for? "OSS remove"
> > "OSS sound remove" "Open sound system" all return garbage.
>
> Why would you want it to go away? People can decide from which one to use and
> make Linux more flexible.
Having both available just leads to confusion and bloats the kernel.
Flexibility isn't the same as redundancy.
Lee
On Oct 18, 2005, at 14:48:37, John Richard Moser wrote:
> Got a lkml.org link or a subject line I should search for? "OSS
> remove"
> "OSS sound remove" "Open sound system" all return garbage.
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~akpm/linux/patches/stuff/top-posting.txt
http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/top-post.html
> Jeff Garzik wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 02:01:43PM -0400, John Richard Moser wrote:
>>> The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when
>>> the heck?
>>> 2.4? Is it ever going to drop off? Are there a few cards in OSS
>>> that
>>> don't work right in ASLA?
>>
>> Already been discussed; check the archives.
I don't remember if it ever got patched, but linux/Documentation/
feature-removal-schedule.txt should contain a mention of it and
pertinent quotes from the LKML thread.
Cheers,
Kyle Moffett
--
There is no way to make Linux robust with unreliable memory
subsystems, sorry. It would be like trying to make a human more
robust with an unreliable O2 supply. Memory just has to work.
-- Andi Kleen
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Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:48:37 -0400, John Richard Moser wrote
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>>Got a lkml.org link or a subject line I should search for? "OSS remove"
>>"OSS sound remove" "Open sound system" all return garbage.
>
>
> Why would you want it to go away? People can decide from which one to use and
> make Linux more flexible.
>
ever growing code base; I want it to go away for the same reason I'd
love a binary driver model in the kernel (in fact I'm looking at getting
fuse to supply the driver for my rootfs from initrd)
> Anyway, I think the archives say something like, it doesn't have to go away,
> so why remove it?
>
> .Alejandro
>
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Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:48:37 -0400, John Richard Moser wrote
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>>Got a lkml.org link or a subject line I should search for? "OSS remove"
>>"OSS sound remove" "Open sound system" all return garbage.
>
>
> Why would you want it to go away? People can decide from which one to use and
> make Linux more flexible.
Because the OSS drivers are not maintained anymore and are starting to
suffer from bitrot.
--
Brian Gerst
John Richard Moser wrote:
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> The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
> 2.4? Is it ever going to drop off? Are there a few cards in OSS that
> don't work right in ASLA?
>
This has been discussed before, but the major argument is that if Linux
starts dropping functional features there is no longer even a pretense
of this kernel line being stable.
Drop it in 2.7.
--
-bill davidsen ([email protected])
"The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
last possible moment - but no longer" -me
John Richard Moser wrote:
> The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
> 2.4? Is it ever going to drop off? Are there a few cards in OSS that
> don't work right in ASLA?
>
There are still a few cards, hardly any in fact, that work better in OSS
so why bother removing it? Maybe we should add an extra config option in
the kernel.
1) Show/Hide depreciated (add this one)
2) Show/Hide experimental (we already have this one)
On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 14:01 -0400, John Richard Moser wrote:
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> The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
> 2.4? Is it ever going to drop off? Are there a few cards in OSS that
> don't work right in ASLA?
Yes:
https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1276
--
jules
On 18 Oct 2005, Bill Davidsen suggested tentatively:
> John Richard Moser wrote:
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>> The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
>> 2.4? Is it ever going to drop off? Are there a few cards in OSS that
>> don't work right in ASLA?
>>
> This has been discussed before, but the major argument is that if
> Linux starts dropping functional features there is no longer even a
> pretense of this kernel line being stable.
The dropping of e.g. devfs has already knocked that idea on the head;
functional features are being removed as well as added.
(And as ALSA can emulate the useful parts of OSS, when all OSS cards are
supported by ALSA, there won't be any function loss anyway.)
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