2023-05-16 16:57:58

by Alexey Dobriyan

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Subject: [PATCH 2/3] auto: add "auto" keyword as alias for __auto_type

It has similar semantics to "auto" keyword from a language
which can not be named on this mailing list, in particular:

{
int a;
const auto b = a; // const char b = a;
b = 1; // compile error
}
{
char a;
auto b = a; // char b = a;
// no integer promotions
static_assert(sizeof(b) == 1);
}
{
int a;
const auto p = &a; // int *const p = &a;
*p = 1; // works because const is applied only to top-level
}

It can be used to save on macroexpansion inside macro forests which
use typeof() somewhere deep enough. It is cool regardless.

Use "auto" in your code today!

gcc 5.1 supports __auto_type.

Signed-off-by: Alexey Dobriyan <[email protected]>
---
Makefile | 1 +
1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)

diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
index 10fcc64fcd1f..d316924a466a 100644
--- a/Makefile
+++ b/Makefile
@@ -570,6 +570,7 @@ KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Werror=return-type
KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Werror=strict-prototypes
KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Wno-format-security
KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Wno-trigraphs
+KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Dauto=__auto_type

KBUILD_CPPFLAGS := -D__KERNEL__
KBUILD_RUSTFLAGS := $(rust_common_flags) \
--
2.40.1



2023-05-16 21:49:52

by Andrew Morton

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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] auto: add "auto" keyword as alias for __auto_type

On Tue, 16 May 2023 19:49:46 +0300 Alexey Dobriyan <[email protected]> wrote:

> It has similar semantics to "auto" keyword from a language
> which can not be named on this mailing list, in particular:

Huh, 20 years ago C's auto meant "automatic variable". ie, stored on
the stack. It was never needed because that's the default, unless you
used `register', which gave the false impression that you're being
faster.

> {
> int a;
> const auto b = a; // const char b = a;

I assume that should be "const int b = a".

> b = 1; // compile error
> }
> {
> char a;
> auto b = a; // char b = a;
> // no integer promotions
> static_assert(sizeof(b) == 1);
> }
> {
> int a;
> const auto p = &a; // int *const p = &a;
> *p = 1; // works because const is applied only to top-level
> }
>
> It can be used to save on macroexpansion inside macro forests which
> use typeof() somewhere deep enough. It is cool regardless.
>
> Use "auto" in your code today!
>
> gcc 5.1 supports __auto_type.
>
> Signed-off-by: Alexey Dobriyan <[email protected]>
> ---
> Makefile | 1 +
> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
>
> diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
> index 10fcc64fcd1f..d316924a466a 100644
> --- a/Makefile
> +++ b/Makefile
> @@ -570,6 +570,7 @@ KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Werror=return-type
> KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Werror=strict-prototypes
> KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Wno-format-security
> KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Wno-trigraphs
> +KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Dauto=__auto_type
>
> KBUILD_CPPFLAGS := -D__KERNEL__
> KBUILD_RUSTFLAGS := $(rust_common_flags) \

Examples at https://lkml.kernel.org/r/[email protected]

It is pretty cool and could get used a lot. Cc Linus for his thoughts?

2023-05-17 00:35:00

by Linus Torvalds

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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] auto: add "auto" keyword as alias for __auto_type

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 2:39 PM Andrew Morton <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> It is pretty cool and could get used a lot. Cc Linus for his thoughts?

I'm not against it, although I'm also not convinced we need / want to
convert existing users of typeof().

The reason we use typeof is that that has always worked in gcc, and
__auto_type is relatively "new" in contrast.

But we require at least gcc-5.1 anyway, so it should be fine.

Note that mindless conversions can be dangerous: using "typeof(x)" in
macros may end up feeling a bit verbose, and "auto" can appear nicer,
but the auto use needs to be *very* careful about integer promotions.

For example, in

#define WRAPPER(c) do { \
typeof(c) __c = (c);
...

it is very obvious what the type is.

But while using

#define WRAPPER(c) do { \
auto __c = (c);

gives you the same result with less redundancy (no need to state 'c'
twice), if you *ever* then happen to make that an integer expression
that is not *just* 'c' - even a trivial one - suddenly 'var' goes from
'char' to 'int' because of the integer expression.

So __auto_type (and I agree that if we use it, we should probably just
wrap it in an 'auto' #define, since the legacy 'auto' keyword is
useless) can result in simpler and more obvious code, but it can also
lead to subtle type issues that are easy to then overlook.

The above is not an argument against 'auto', but it's one reason I'm
not convinced some mindless "convert existing uses of __typeof__" is a
good idea even if it might make some of them more legible.

But I have nothing against people starting to use it in new code.

And no, I don't think we should do that

KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Dauto=__auto_type

in the Makefile as Alexey suggests.

I think this is a 'compiler_types.h' kind of thing, and goes along
with all the other "simplied syntax" things we do (ie we redefine
'inline', we add "__weak" etc etc etc).

Linus

2023-05-17 06:34:29

by Alexey Dobriyan

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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] auto: add "auto" keyword as alias for __auto_type

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 04:18:59PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 2:39 PM Andrew Morton <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > It is pretty cool and could get used a lot. Cc Linus for his thoughts?
>
> I'm not against it, although I'm also not convinced we need / want to
> convert existing users of typeof().
>
> The reason we use typeof is that that has always worked in gcc, and
> __auto_type is relatively "new" in contrast.
>
> But we require at least gcc-5.1 anyway, so it should be fine.
>
> Note that mindless conversions can be dangerous: using "typeof(x)" in
> macros may end up feeling a bit verbose, and "auto" can appear nicer,
> but the auto use needs to be *very* careful about integer promotions.
>
> For example, in
>
> #define WRAPPER(c) do { \
> typeof(c) __c = (c);
> ...
>
> it is very obvious what the type is.
>
> But while using
>
> #define WRAPPER(c) do { \
> auto __c = (c);
>
> gives you the same result with less redundancy (no need to state 'c'
> twice), if you *ever* then happen to make that an integer expression
> that is not *just* 'c' - even a trivial one - suddenly 'var' goes from
> 'char' to 'int' because of the integer expression.
>
> So __auto_type (and I agree that if we use it, we should probably just
> wrap it in an 'auto' #define, since the legacy 'auto' keyword is
> useless) can result in simpler and more obvious code, but it can also
> lead to subtle type issues that are easy to then overlook.
>
> The above is not an argument against 'auto', but it's one reason I'm
> not convinced some mindless "convert existing uses of __typeof__" is a
> good idea even if it might make some of them more legible.
>
> But I have nothing against people starting to use it in new code.
>
> And no, I don't think we should do that
>
> KBUILD_CFLAGS += -Dauto=__auto_type
>
> in the Makefile as Alexey suggests.
>
> I think this is a 'compiler_types.h' kind of thing, and goes along
> with all the other "simplied syntax" things we do (ie we redefine
> 'inline', we add "__weak" etc etc etc).

Sure. I thought about where to put it in the filesystem under nice name
but somehow completely forgot about compiler_types.h

I'll probably go through core headers at least and start conversion
myself. Expect version 2 soon.