Hey again.
Just checked with 5.4.6 and the problem as described previously still
exists.
And effectively idle system runs at ~75 °C even when just typing some
text or switching some windows.
Only if doing really absolutely nothing for a long time it may (but not
always) go down to ~65 °C, which is still 5-10°C more than having the
very same system (same software running, etc.) with a 5.2 kernel.
top still shows basically nothing.
I still suspect it could be somehow graphics related:
- when I switch from the desktop environment to the kernel console,
temperatures quickly go to ~60°C (which is more close to what's the
case with 5.2)
- When doing some video playback, temperatures just explode (which
they' don't with 5.2, of course they rise there as well).
So when playing a video like mpv --vo=vaapi, CPU goes quickly to 90°C
an more (and even when stopping playback, it stays at 80°C for
minutes).
Actually, sometimes (but not always) it was much better with --vo=xv.
The CPU is a Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7600U CPU @ 2.80GHz, with HD Graphics
620 (Kaby Lake GT2).
Thanks,
Chris.
Any ideas on what to do or how to somehow debug this?
Cheers,
Chris.
On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 16:15 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> Hey.
>
> Since I've upgraded from kernel 5.2 to 5.3 my system runs a
> considerably higher temperatures (like 10°C or more).
> This happens even when it's effectively idle (top shows basically
> nothing).
> Downgrading again to 5.2 and high temperatures go away.
>
> I did some more detailed description here:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=945055
> but really have no clue where to start debugging.
>
> It could be that it's somehow graphics related, as when I switch away
> from X/Cinnamon to the virtual console, temperatures decrease
> considerably.
>
>
> Anyone else seeing something similar or having some idea how to track
> this down?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Chris.
Some further information.
The problem as I've described occurs only on Cinnamon (or better said,
it does not occur when using the GNOME Classic mode of GNOME Shell).
For that reason I've reported
https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/issues/9085 ... but still it
seems to be some regression in the kernel to, as it runs *much* better
with 5.2.
Cheers,
Chris.
On Thu, 2020-01-02 at 05:00 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> Hey again.
>
> Just checked with 5.4.6 and the problem as described previously still
> exists.
>
> And effectively idle system runs at ~75 °C even when just typing some
> text or switching some windows.
> Only if doing really absolutely nothing for a long time it may (but
> not
> always) go down to ~65 °C, which is still 5-10°C more than having the
> very same system (same software running, etc.) with a 5.2 kernel.
>
> top still shows basically nothing.
>
> I still suspect it could be somehow graphics related:
> - when I switch from the desktop environment to the kernel console,
> temperatures quickly go to ~60°C (which is more close to what's the
> case with 5.2)
>
> - When doing some video playback, temperatures just explode (which
> they' don't with 5.2, of course they rise there as well).
> So when playing a video like mpv --vo=vaapi, CPU goes quickly to 90°C
> an more (and even when stopping playback, it stays at 80°C for
> minutes).
> Actually, sometimes (but not always) it was much better with --vo=xv.
>
> The CPU is a Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7600U CPU @ 2.80GHz, with HD
> Graphics
> 620 (Kaby Lake GT2).
>
>
> Thanks,
> Chris.
>
>
>
> Any ideas on what to do or how to somehow debug this?
>
> Cheers,
> Chris.
>
>
> On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 16:15 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> > Hey.
> >
> > Since I've upgraded from kernel 5.2 to 5.3 my system runs a
> > considerably higher temperatures (like 10°C or more).
> > This happens even when it's effectively idle (top shows basically
> > nothing).
> > Downgrading again to 5.2 and high temperatures go away.
> >
> > I did some more detailed description here:
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=945055
> > but really have no clue where to start debugging.
> >
> > It could be that it's somehow graphics related, as when I switch
> > away
> > from X/Cinnamon to the virtual console, temperatures decrease
> > considerably.
> >
> >
> > Anyone else seeing something similar or having some idea how to
> > track
> > this down?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris.
Hey.
Unfortunately no one seemed to have any idea so far on how to track
this regression down.
Maybe that issue(s) just happen on a certain hardware(and perhaps even
user-land-software) combination.
So I did some more systematic testing between the following:
- kernel 5.2.17
- kernel 5.4.6
each with
- no intel_pstate parameter (which results in active/HWP)
- intel_pstate=disable [0]
For each combination I've recorded:
- average CPU usage for X.org and either cinnamon or gnome-shell
(running in classic mode) as shown by top
- average temperature of the Package id 0 as shown by sensor
during the following scenarios:
- idle system (i.e. respective desktop environment running with some
minimal set of applets (like clock, window list, or so), cron
disabled, no(!) further CPU intensive processes (e.g. firefox) were
running.
as well as:
- playing a video in h264 (High) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuv420p, 720x396
- playing a video in h264 (High), yuv420p(tv, bt709, progressive), 1920x1080
with mpv, each in:
- normal resolution (on a HiDPI display)
- fullscreen
- fullscreen using -vo=xv
In the two modes where -vo=xv wasn't given, mpv selected:
VO: [gpu] … vaapi[nv12]
so these were with VAAPI acceleration.
Other versions/etc. were:
- CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7600U CPU @ 2.80GHz
- GPU: Intel(R) HD Graphics 620 (Kaby Lake GT2)
- Display: 3840x2160
- Debian sid (and no custom)
- mpv 0.30.0 Copyright © 2000-2019 mpv/MPlayer/mplayer2 projects
built on UNKNOWN
ffmpeg library versions:
libavutil 56.31.100
libavcodec 58.54.100
libavformat 58.29.100
libswscale 5.5.100
libavfilter 7.57.100
libswresample 3.5.100
ffmpeg version: 4.2.1-2+b1
- Xorg 7.7
- cinnamon 4.2.4, (always in hardware rendering mode)
- gnome 3.34.2, (always in the GNOME Classic session mode)
- notebook is a Fujitsu Lifebook U757
- /etc/sysfs.conf has:
devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo = 1
For the testing, the notebook was placed on a metal surface (which
probably explains why the temperatures are a bit lower than what I've
reported in previous mails).
After each measurement (which often caused high CPU temperatures) I let
the CPU/system cool down for ~5 minutes until it reached the initially
measured "idle temperature" again.
Also for each measurement, I let the system in that state (e.g. being
idle or playing a video) for several minutes.
I've made the "average" values manually, for the temperatures those
should be quite accurate, for the CPU utilisation they should be
regarded more as a guide, since there were often spikes in on or the
other direction.
Of course, I took always the same 2 videos, and started them at the
beginning for each measurement.
Legend:
C = Cinnamon
G = Gnome Shell, classic mode
idl = idle (i.e. just desktop environment running, not interaction or other intensive processes for several minutes)
loV = low-res video (h264 (High) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuv420p, 720x396)
hiV = high-res video (h264 (High) yuv420p(tv, bt709, progressive), 1920x1080
no "fs" = no fullscreen
fs = fullscreen
no "xv" = mpv used [gpu] … vaapi[nv12]
xv = mpv used xv
CPU temperature / [Cinnamon|Gnome Shell CPU%] / X CPU%
5.2+a-hwp 5.2+disable 5.4+a-hwp 5.4+disable
C idl 48/ 5,0/ 1,0 48/ 3,0/ 1,0 59/ 4,0/ 1,0 56/ 2,7/ 0,8
C loV 53/15,0/ 6,0 54/ 9,3/ 4,3 62/14,0/ 6,3 59/ 9,0/ 4,3
C loV-fs 75/26,0/ 7,0 75/17,5/15,0 92/25,0/ 7,0 89/17,3
/ 5,0
C loV-fs-xv 72/28,0/ 8,6 71/15,3/ 5,5 92/27,0/ 8,7 91/15,5/ 5,5
C hiV 63/25,0/12,0 61/15,0/ 8,3 63/24,0/12,2 66/14,5/ 8,5
C hiV-fs 100/45,0/10,0 95/33,0/ 7,6 100/41,0/11,0 97/34,0/ 8,0
C hiV-fs-xv 100/27,0/27,0 95/33,0/ 7,5 97/24,0/18,0 97/22,0/17,0
G idl 46/ 1,5/ 1,5 44/ 1,3/ 0,9 50/ 1,3/ 0,8 49/ 1,2/ 1,1
G loV 49/12,5/ 6,8 48/ 7,3/ 4,3 51/11,0/ 6,6 52/ 7,4/ 4,2
G loV-fs 56/13,2/ 7,0 55/ 8,5/ 4,5 60/13,3/ 6,7 60/
8,3/ 4,3
G loV-fs-xv 54/12,2/ 8,6 54/ 6,6/ 5,3 58/12,0/ 8,1 57/ 6,5/ 4,7
G hiV 53/24,0/12,5 54/13,7/ 7,5 55/23,5/12,5 55/14,7/ 7,5
G hiV-fs 93/28,0/13,4 93/15,0/ 7,3 96/27,0/11,1 95/16,0/ 8,0
G hiV-fs-xv 94/ 9,5/20,0 91/18,5/ 8,8 97/17,0/ 8,7 93/21,0/ 9,0
Conclusions:
- In most cases, not using intel_pstate, results in the same or
noticeably lower temperature and CPU utilisation for both, Cinnamon
and Gnome.
The few ones where this isn't the case,... well for the CPU
utilisation I've already said that the values may not be that rock
solid... for temperature no idea...
- Using xv instead of vaapi gives similar or better temperatures for
both, Cinnamon and GNOME
- Both, Cinnamon and GNOME run at considerably higher temperature when
using 5.4 rather than 5.2,... for Cinnamon this is much more
noticeable (it still is for GNOME)...
E.g. 10°C more in absolute idle... and 15°C more when playing back
the low res video in full screen.
Maybe that's a reason why there haven't been much reports about this,
when e.g. GNOME is not that much affected.
- For the HiRes video, one doesn't seem that much difference between
5.2 and 5.4, but probably because the CPU gets throttled down after
reaching 100°C the first time (which I could see especially under 5.4
in the kernel log).
- Also with both 5.2/5.4 and with both Cinnamon/Gnome playing the high
res video on the HiDPI screen seems to be killing it (always >90°C).
Is this expected?
- One can argue that Cinnamon might do a bit more in the background,
thus resulting in the generally somewhat higher temp/CPU-utilisation
even when idle... but since it's far more affected whenplaying back
videos than gnome (even under 5.2)... I'd guess there's also some
problem on the Cinnamon side.
- But since it gets reproducibly worse from 5.2 to 5.4 (or 5.3),
there's also something changed in the kernel which strongly affects
it (and GNOME as well, just not that much)
...that is, at least on my hardware ;-)
Unfortunately all this is not limited to playing back videos...
- on cinnamon, when I just
- constantly move the mouse (like in circles) on an empty desktop, or
- a window
- or scroll up/down in e.g. Thunderbirds mail list
temperatures reach 69° C or more
- having Firefox open, say around 10 windows, none of them playing any
video or animated GIF, none of them running any scripts (thanks to
noscript)... temperatures go to ~85°C on Cinnamon (not the case on
GNOME, at least not that extreme).
So my suspicion would be something is wrong at the graphics stack
and/or how it's used especially by Cinnamon.
Also (and I've tested the following only in Cinnamon), as previously
noticed, sometimes, but not always:
- CPU temperature stays very high for several minutes, even though I've
already stopped e.g. video playback or mouse moving
- maybe, but there's only little indication for this: putting the
system into suspend2ram and waking it up, seemed to have cured the
symptoms for "a while".... but this is very vague.
Any help or pointers on how to debug this further would be highly
appreciated... obviously running a notebook at ~80° or not being able
to upgrade the kernel is kind of a showstopper.
Attached are several logs which may be useful.
Thanks,
Chris.
[0] suggestion to try this from https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/issues/9085#issuecomment-570654676