2024-05-11 10:02:38

by Huacai Chen

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Subject: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h

Chromium sandbox apparently wants to deny statx [1] so it could properly
inspect arguments after the sandboxed process later falls back to fstat.
Because there's currently not a "fd-only" version of statx, so that the
sandbox has no way to ensure the path argument is empty without being
able to peek into the sandboxed process's memory. For architectures able
to do newfstatat though, glibc falls back to newfstatat after getting
-ENOSYS for statx, then the respective SIGSYS handler [2] takes care of
inspecting the path argument, transforming allowed newfstatat's into
fstat instead which is allowed and has the same type of return value.

But, as LoongArch is the first architecture to not have fstat nor
newfstatat, the LoongArch glibc does not attempt falling back at all
when it gets -ENOSYS for statx -- and you see the problem there!

Actually, back when the LoongArch port was under review, people were
aware of the same problem with sandboxing clone3 [3], so clone was
eventually kept. Unfortunately it seemed at that time no one had noticed
statx, so besides restoring fstat/newfstatat to LoongArch uapi (and
postponing the problem further), it seems inevitable that we would need
to tackle seccomp deep argument inspection.

However, this is obviously a decision that shouldn't be taken lightly,
so we just restore fstat/newfstatat by defining __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT
in unistd.h. This is the simplest solution for now, and so we hope the
community will tackle the long-standing problem of seccomp deep argument
inspection in the future [4][5].

More infomation please reading this thread [6].

[1] https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/2823150
[2] https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/sandbox/+/c085b51940bd/linux/seccomp-bpf-helpers/sigsys_handlers.cc#355
[3] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-arch/[email protected]/
[4] https://lwn.net/Articles/799557/
[5] https://lpc.events/event/4/contributions/560/attachments/397/640/deep-arg-inspection.pdf
[6] https://lore.kernel.org/loongarch/20240226-granit-seilschaft-eccc2433014d@brauner/T/#t

Cc: [email protected]
Signed-off-by: Huacai Chen <[email protected]>
---
arch/loongarch/include/uapi/asm/unistd.h | 1 +
1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)

diff --git a/arch/loongarch/include/uapi/asm/unistd.h b/arch/loongarch/include/uapi/asm/unistd.h
index fcb668984f03..b344b1f91715 100644
--- a/arch/loongarch/include/uapi/asm/unistd.h
+++ b/arch/loongarch/include/uapi/asm/unistd.h
@@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
/* SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0 WITH Linux-syscall-note */
+#define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT
#define __ARCH_WANT_SYS_CLONE
#define __ARCH_WANT_SYS_CLONE3

--
2.43.0



2024-05-11 12:17:44

by Arnd Bergmann

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h

On Sat, May 11, 2024, at 12:01, Huacai Chen wrote:
> Chromium sandbox apparently wants to deny statx [1] so it could properly
> inspect arguments after the sandboxed process later falls back to fstat.
> Because there's currently not a "fd-only" version of statx, so that the
> sandbox has no way to ensure the path argument is empty without being
> able to peek into the sandboxed process's memory. For architectures able
> to do newfstatat though, glibc falls back to newfstatat after getting
> -ENOSYS for statx, then the respective SIGSYS handler [2] takes care of
> inspecting the path argument, transforming allowed newfstatat's into
> fstat instead which is allowed and has the same type of return value.
>
> But, as LoongArch is the first architecture to not have fstat nor
> newfstatat, the LoongArch glibc does not attempt falling back at all
> when it gets -ENOSYS for statx -- and you see the problem there!

My main objection here is that this is inconsistent with 32-bit
architectures: we normally have newfstatat() on 64-bit
architectures but fstatat64() on 32-bit ones. While loongarch64
is the first 64-bit one that is missing newfstatat(), we have
riscv32 already without fstatat64().

Importantly, we can't just add fstatat64() on riscv32 because
there is no time64 version for it other than statx(), and I don't
want the architectures to diverge more than necessary.
I would not mind adding a variant of statx() that works for
both riscv32 and loongarch64 though, if it gets added to all
architectures.

Arnd

2024-05-11 14:28:58

by Huacai Chen

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h

Hi, Arnd,

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 8:17 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024, at 12:01, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > Chromium sandbox apparently wants to deny statx [1] so it could properly
> > inspect arguments after the sandboxed process later falls back to fstat.
> > Because there's currently not a "fd-only" version of statx, so that the
> > sandbox has no way to ensure the path argument is empty without being
> > able to peek into the sandboxed process's memory. For architectures able
> > to do newfstatat though, glibc falls back to newfstatat after getting
> > -ENOSYS for statx, then the respective SIGSYS handler [2] takes care of
> > inspecting the path argument, transforming allowed newfstatat's into
> > fstat instead which is allowed and has the same type of return value.
> >
> > But, as LoongArch is the first architecture to not have fstat nor
> > newfstatat, the LoongArch glibc does not attempt falling back at all
> > when it gets -ENOSYS for statx -- and you see the problem there!
>
> My main objection here is that this is inconsistent with 32-bit
> architectures: we normally have newfstatat() on 64-bit
> architectures but fstatat64() on 32-bit ones. While loongarch64
> is the first 64-bit one that is missing newfstatat(), we have
> riscv32 already without fstatat64().
Then how to move forward? Xuerui said that he wants to improve
seccomp, but a long time has already passed. And I think we should
solve this problem before Debian loong64 ports become usable.

>
> Importantly, we can't just add fstatat64() on riscv32 because
> there is no time64 version for it other than statx(), and I don't
> want the architectures to diverge more than necessary.
> I would not mind adding a variant of statx() that works for
> both riscv32 and loongarch64 though, if it gets added to all
> architectures.
As far as I know, Ren Guo is trying to implement riscv64 kernel +
riscv32 userspace, so I think riscv32 kernel won't be widely used?

Huacai
>
> Arnd
>

2024-05-11 15:39:12

by Arnd Bergmann

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h

On Sat, May 11, 2024, at 16:28, Huacai Chen wrote:
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 8:17 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Importantly, we can't just add fstatat64() on riscv32 because
>> there is no time64 version for it other than statx(), and I don't
>> want the architectures to diverge more than necessary.
>> I would not mind adding a variant of statx() that works for
>> both riscv32 and loongarch64 though, if it gets added to all
>> architectures.
>
> As far as I know, Ren Guo is trying to implement riscv64 kernel +
> riscv32 userspace, so I think riscv32 kernel won't be widely used?

I was talking about the ABI, so it doesn't actually matter
what the kernel is: any userspace ABI without
CONFIG_COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is equally affected here. On riscv32
this is the only allowed configuration, while on others (arm32
or x86-32 userland) you can turn off COMPAT_32BIT_TIME on
both 32-bit kernel and on 64-bit kernels with compat mode.

Arnd

2024-05-12 03:11:33

by Huacai Chen

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:39 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024, at 16:28, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 8:17 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Importantly, we can't just add fstatat64() on riscv32 because
> >> there is no time64 version for it other than statx(), and I don't
> >> want the architectures to diverge more than necessary.
> >> I would not mind adding a variant of statx() that works for
> >> both riscv32 and loongarch64 though, if it gets added to all
> >> architectures.
> >
> > As far as I know, Ren Guo is trying to implement riscv64 kernel +
> > riscv32 userspace, so I think riscv32 kernel won't be widely used?
>
> I was talking about the ABI, so it doesn't actually matter
> what the kernel is: any userspace ABI without
> CONFIG_COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is equally affected here. On riscv32
> this is the only allowed configuration, while on others (arm32
> or x86-32 userland) you can turn off COMPAT_32BIT_TIME on
> both 32-bit kernel and on 64-bit kernels with compat mode.
I don't know too much detail, but I think riscv32 can do something
similar to arm32 and x86-32, or we can wait for Xuerui to improve
seccomp. But there is no much time for loongarch because the Debian
loong64 port is coming soon.

Huacai

>
> Arnd
>

2024-05-12 07:53:27

by Arnd Bergmann

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h

On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 05:11, Huacai Chen wrote:
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:39 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024, at 16:28, Huacai Chen wrote:
>> > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 8:17 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
>> CONFIG_COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is equally affected here. On riscv32
>> this is the only allowed configuration, while on others (arm32
>> or x86-32 userland) you can turn off COMPAT_32BIT_TIME on
>> both 32-bit kernel and on 64-bit kernels with compat mode.
> I don't know too much detail, but I think riscv32 can do something
> similar to arm32 and x86-32, or we can wait for Xuerui to improve
> seccomp. But there is no much time for loongarch because the Debian
> loong64 port is coming soon.

What I meant is that the other architectures only work by
accident if COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is enabled and statx() gets
blocked, but then they truncate the timestamps to the tim32
range, which is not acceptable behavior. Actually mips64 is
in the same situation because it also only supports 32-bit
timestamps in newstatat(), despite being a 64-bit
architecture with a 64-bit time_t in all other syscalls.

Arnd

2024-05-15 09:30:48

by Bibo Mao

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h



On 2024/5/11 下午8:17, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Sat, May 11, 2024, at 12:01, Huacai Chen wrote:
>> Chromium sandbox apparently wants to deny statx [1] so it could properly
>> inspect arguments after the sandboxed process later falls back to fstat.
>> Because there's currently not a "fd-only" version of statx, so that the
>> sandbox has no way to ensure the path argument is empty without being
>> able to peek into the sandboxed process's memory. For architectures able
>> to do newfstatat though, glibc falls back to newfstatat after getting
>> -ENOSYS for statx, then the respective SIGSYS handler [2] takes care of
>> inspecting the path argument, transforming allowed newfstatat's into
>> fstat instead which is allowed and has the same type of return value.
>>
>> But, as LoongArch is the first architecture to not have fstat nor
>> newfstatat, the LoongArch glibc does not attempt falling back at all
>> when it gets -ENOSYS for statx -- and you see the problem there!
>
> My main objection here is that this is inconsistent with 32-bit
> architectures: we normally have newfstatat() on 64-bit
> architectures but fstatat64() on 32-bit ones. While loongarch64
> is the first 64-bit one that is missing newfstatat(), we have
> riscv32 already without fstatat64().
>
> Importantly, we can't just add fstatat64() on riscv32 because
> there is no time64 version for it other than statx(), and I don't
> want the architectures to diverge more than necessary.
yes, I agree. Normally there is newfstatat() on 64-bit architectures but
fstatat64() on 32-bit ones.

I do not understand why fstatat64() can be added for riscv32 still.
32bit timestamp seems works well for the present, it is valid until
(0x1UL << 32) / 365 / 24 / 3600 + 1970 == 2106 year. Year 2106 should
be enough for 32bit system.

Regards
Bibo Mao


> I would not mind adding a variant of statx() that works for
> both riscv32 and loongarch64 though, if it gets added to all
> architectures.
>
> Arnd
>


2024-05-15 14:32:15

by Arnd Bergmann

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h

On Wed, May 15, 2024, at 09:30, maobibo wrote:
> On 2024/5/11 下午8:17, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024, at 12:01, Huacai Chen wrote:
>>
>> Importantly, we can't just add fstatat64() on riscv32 because
>> there is no time64 version for it other than statx(), and I don't
>> want the architectures to diverge more than necessary.
> yes, I agree. Normally there is newfstatat() on 64-bit architectures but
> fstatat64() on 32-bit ones.
>
> I do not understand why fstatat64() can be added for riscv32 still.
> 32bit timestamp seems works well for the present, it is valid until
> (0x1UL << 32) / 365 / 24 / 3600 + 1970 == 2106 year. Year 2106 should
> be enough for 32bit system.

There is a very small number of interfaces for which we ended up
not using a 64-bit time_t replacement, but those are only for
relative times, not epoch based offsets. The main problems
here are:

- time_t is defined to be a signed value in posix, and we need
to handle file timestamps before 1970 in stat(), so changing
this one to be unsigned is not an option.

- A lot of products have already shipped that will have to
be supported past 2038 on existing 32-bit hardware. We
cannot regress on architectures that have already been
fixed to support this.

- file timestamps can also be set into the future, so applications
relying on this are broken before 2038.

Arnd

2024-05-16 02:52:26

by Bibo Mao

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h



On 2024/5/15 下午10:25, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wed, May 15, 2024, at 09:30, maobibo wrote:
>> On 2024/5/11 下午8:17, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024, at 12:01, Huacai Chen wrote:
>>>
>>> Importantly, we can't just add fstatat64() on riscv32 because
>>> there is no time64 version for it other than statx(), and I don't
>>> want the architectures to diverge more than necessary.
>> yes, I agree. Normally there is newfstatat() on 64-bit architectures but
>> fstatat64() on 32-bit ones.
>>
>> I do not understand why fstatat64() can be added for riscv32 still.
>> 32bit timestamp seems works well for the present, it is valid until
>> (0x1UL << 32) / 365 / 24 / 3600 + 1970 == 2106 year. Year 2106 should
>> be enough for 32bit system.
>
> There is a very small number of interfaces for which we ended up
> not using a 64-bit time_t replacement, but those are only for
> relative times, not epoch based offsets. The main problems
> here are:
>
> - time_t is defined to be a signed value in posix, and we need
> to handle file timestamps before 1970 in stat(), so changing
> this one to be unsigned is not an option.
>
> - A lot of products have already shipped that will have to
> be supported past 2038 on existing 32-bit hardware. We
> cannot regress on architectures that have already been
> fixed to support this.
>
> - file timestamps can also be set into the future, so applications
> relying on this are broken before 2038.
I see. And thanks for detailed explanation.

Regards
Bibo Mao
>
> Arnd
>


2024-06-15 08:52:33

by Huacai Chen

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h

Hi, Arnd,

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 3:53 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 05:11, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:39 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Sat, May 11, 2024, at 16:28, Huacai Chen wrote:
> >> > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 8:17 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> CONFIG_COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is equally affected here. On riscv32
> >> this is the only allowed configuration, while on others (arm32
> >> or x86-32 userland) you can turn off COMPAT_32BIT_TIME on
> >> both 32-bit kernel and on 64-bit kernels with compat mode.
> > I don't know too much detail, but I think riscv32 can do something
> > similar to arm32 and x86-32, or we can wait for Xuerui to improve
> > seccomp. But there is no much time for loongarch because the Debian
> > loong64 port is coming soon.
>
> What I meant is that the other architectures only work by
> accident if COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is enabled and statx() gets
> blocked, but then they truncate the timestamps to the tim32
> range, which is not acceptable behavior. Actually mips64 is
> in the same situation because it also only supports 32-bit
> timestamps in newstatat(), despite being a 64-bit
> architecture with a 64-bit time_t in all other syscalls.
We can only wait for the seccomp side to be fixed now? Or we can get
this patch upstream for LoongArch64 at the moment, and wait for
seccomp to fix RISCV32 (and LoongArch32) in future?

Huacai

>
> Arnd
>

2024-06-15 08:55:24

by Xi Ruoyao

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h

On Sat, 2024-06-15 at 16:52 +0800, Huacai Chen wrote:
> Hi, Arnd,
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 3:53 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 05:11, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:39 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, May 11, 2024, at 16:28, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 8:17 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > CONFIG_COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is equally affected here. On riscv32
> > > > this is the only allowed configuration, while on others (arm32
> > > > or x86-32 userland) you can turn off COMPAT_32BIT_TIME on
> > > > both 32-bit kernel and on 64-bit kernels with compat mode.
> > > I don't know too much detail, but I think riscv32 can do something
> > > similar to arm32 and x86-32, or we can wait for Xuerui to improve
> > > seccomp. But there is no much time for loongarch because the Debian
> > > loong64 port is coming soon.
> >
> > What I meant is that the other architectures only work by
> > accident if COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is enabled and statx() gets
> > blocked, but then they truncate the timestamps to the tim32
> > range, which is not acceptable behavior. Actually mips64 is
> > in the same situation because it also only supports 32-bit
> > timestamps in newstatat(), despite being a 64-bit
> > architecture with a 64-bit time_t in all other syscalls.
> We can only wait for the seccomp side to be fixed now? Or we can get
> this patch upstream for LoongArch64 at the moment, and wait for
> seccomp to fix RISCV32 (and LoongArch32) in future?

I'm wondering why not just introduce a new syscall or extend statx with
a new flag, as we've discussed many times. They have their own
disadvantages but better than this, IMO.

--
Xi Ruoyao <[email protected]>
School of Aerospace Science and Technology, Xidian University

2024-06-15 09:29:34

by Huacai Chen

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h

On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 4:55 PM Xi Ruoyao <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2024-06-15 at 16:52 +0800, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > Hi, Arnd,
> >
> > On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 3:53 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 05:11, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > > > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:39 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, May 11, 2024, at 16:28, Huacai Chen wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 8:17 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > CONFIG_COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is equally affected here. On riscv32
> > > > > this is the only allowed configuration, while on others (arm32
> > > > > or x86-32 userland) you can turn off COMPAT_32BIT_TIME on
> > > > > both 32-bit kernel and on 64-bit kernels with compat mode.
> > > > I don't know too much detail, but I think riscv32 can do something
> > > > similar to arm32 and x86-32, or we can wait for Xuerui to improve
> > > > seccomp. But there is no much time for loongarch because the Debian
> > > > loong64 port is coming soon.
> > >
> > > What I meant is that the other architectures only work by
> > > accident if COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is enabled and statx() gets
> > > blocked, but then they truncate the timestamps to the tim32
> > > range, which is not acceptable behavior. Actually mips64 is
> > > in the same situation because it also only supports 32-bit
> > > timestamps in newstatat(), despite being a 64-bit
> > > architecture with a 64-bit time_t in all other syscalls.
> > We can only wait for the seccomp side to be fixed now? Or we can get
> > this patch upstream for LoongArch64 at the moment, and wait for
> > seccomp to fix RISCV32 (and LoongArch32) in future?
>
> I'm wondering why not just introduce a new syscall or extend statx with
> a new flag, as we've discussed many times. They have their own
> disadvantages but better than this, IMO.
We should move things forward, in any way. :)

Huacai

>
> --
> Xi Ruoyao <[email protected]>
> School of Aerospace Science and Technology, Xidian University
>

2024-06-15 11:47:52

by Arnd Bergmann

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h

On Sat, Jun 15, 2024, at 11:29, Huacai Chen wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 4:55 PM Xi Ruoyao <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 2024-06-15 at 16:52 +0800, Huacai Chen wrote:
>> > Hi, Arnd,
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 3:53 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 05:11, Huacai Chen wrote:
>> > > > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:39 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > > On Sat, May 11, 2024, at 16:28, Huacai Chen wrote:
>> > > > > > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 8:17 PM Arnd Bergmann <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > > CONFIG_COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is equally affected here. On riscv32
>> > > > > this is the only allowed configuration, while on others (arm32
>> > > > > or x86-32 userland) you can turn off COMPAT_32BIT_TIME on
>> > > > > both 32-bit kernel and on 64-bit kernels with compat mode.
>> > > > I don't know too much detail, but I think riscv32 can do something
>> > > > similar to arm32 and x86-32, or we can wait for Xuerui to improve
>> > > > seccomp. But there is no much time for loongarch because the Debian
>> > > > loong64 port is coming soon.
>> > >
>> > > What I meant is that the other architectures only work by
>> > > accident if COMPAT_32BIT_TIME is enabled and statx() gets
>> > > blocked, but then they truncate the timestamps to the tim32
>> > > range, which is not acceptable behavior. Actually mips64 is
>> > > in the same situation because it also only supports 32-bit
>> > > timestamps in newstatat(), despite being a 64-bit
>> > > architecture with a 64-bit time_t in all other syscalls.
>> > We can only wait for the seccomp side to be fixed now? Or we can get
>> > this patch upstream for LoongArch64 at the moment, and wait for
>> > seccomp to fix RISCV32 (and LoongArch32) in future?
>>
>> I'm wondering why not just introduce a new syscall or extend statx with
>> a new flag, as we've discussed many times. They have their own
>> disadvantages but better than this, IMO.
> We should move things forward, in any way. :)

Wouldn't it be sufficient to move the AT_EMPTY_PATH hack
from vfs_fstatat() to vfs_statx() so we can make them
behave the same way?

As far as I can tell, the only difference between the two is
that fstatat64() and similar already has added the check for
zero-length strings in order to make using vfs_fstatat()
fast and safe when called from glibc stat().

Arnd

2024-06-15 12:12:59

by Xi Ruoyao

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h

On Sat, 2024-06-15 at 13:47 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:

/* snip */

> > > > We can only wait for the seccomp side to be fixed now? Or we can get
> > > > this patch upstream for LoongArch64 at the moment, and wait for
> > > > seccomp to fix RISCV32 (and LoongArch32) in future?
> > >
> > > I'm wondering why not just introduce a new syscall or extend statx with
> > > a new flag, as we've discussed many times.  They have their own
> > > disadvantages but better than this, IMO.
> > We should move things forward, in any way. :)
>
> Wouldn't it be sufficient to move the AT_EMPTY_PATH hack
> from vfs_fstatat() to vfs_statx() so we can make them
> behave the same way?
>
> As far as I can tell, the only difference between the two is
> that fstatat64() and similar already has added the check for
> zero-length strings in order to make using vfs_fstatat()
> fast and safe when called from glibc stat().

Do you mean https://git.kernel.org/torvalds/c/9013c51c630a? It (only
partially) fix the performance issue but it won't help seccomp. The
problem is you cannot check if the string is zero-length with seccomp.
Thus seccomp cannot audit fstatat properly as well.

In [Firefox] *all* fstatat (and statx) calls are trapped and *the signal
handler* audit this fstatat call. If flags & AT_EMPTY_PATH and path is
zero-length, it calls fstat to do the job. But on LoongArch there is no
way to "do the job" as the only stat-family call is statx.

[Firefox]:https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/source/security/sandbox/linux/SandboxFilter.cpp#364

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Xi Ruoyao <[email protected]>
School of Aerospace Science and Technology, Xidian University

2024-06-15 13:13:14

by Xi Ruoyao

[permalink] [raw]
Subject: Re: [PATCH] LoongArch: Define __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT in unistd.h

On Sat, 2024-06-15 at 20:12 +0800, Xi Ruoyao wrote:
> On Sat, 2024-06-15 at 13:47 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>
> /* snip */
>
> > > > > We can only wait for the seccomp side to be fixed now? Or we can get
> > > > > this patch upstream for LoongArch64 at the moment, and wait for
> > > > > seccomp to fix RISCV32 (and LoongArch32) in future?
> > > >
> > > > I'm wondering why not just introduce a new syscall or extend statx with
> > > > a new flag, as we've discussed many times.  They have their own
> > > > disadvantages but better than this, IMO.
> > > We should move things forward, in any way. :)
> >
> > Wouldn't it be sufficient to move the AT_EMPTY_PATH hack
> > from vfs_fstatat() to vfs_statx() so we can make them
> > behave the same way?
> >
> > As far as I can tell, the only difference between the two is
> > that fstatat64() and similar already has added the check for
> > zero-length strings in order to make using vfs_fstatat()
> > fast and safe when called from glibc stat().
>
> Do you mean https://git.kernel.org/torvalds/c/9013c51c630a?  It (only
> partially) fix the performance issue but it won't help seccomp.  The
> problem is you cannot check if the string is zero-length with seccomp.
> Thus seccomp cannot audit fstatat properly as well.
>
> In [Firefox] *all* fstatat (and statx) calls are trapped and *the signal
> handler* audit this fstatat call.  If flags & AT_EMPTY_PATH and path is
> zero-length, it calls fstat to do the job.  But on LoongArch there is no
> way to "do the job" as the only stat-family call is statx.
>
> [Firefox]:https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/source/security/sandbox/linux/SandboxFilter.cpp#364

Just spent some brain cycles to make a quick hack adding a new statx
flag. Patch attached.

--
Xi Ruoyao <[email protected]>
School of Aerospace Science and Technology, Xidian University


Attachments:
0001-RFC-vfs-Add-AT_FORCE_EMPTY_PATH.patch (3.82 kB)