Followup to: <[email protected]>
By author: "David S. Miller" <[email protected]>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
>
> On Wed, 2003-04-30 at 13:00, Dax Kelson wrote:
> > Current --in production-- DRM. Clearly no. Current DRM is mostly all
> > targeted to audio / video content protection.
> >
> > So, nothing that we have *today* is a response to Open Source.
>
> I can't believe nobody talks about TiVO and what they're doing (only
> allowing signed Linux kernels to boot on their machines).
>
> That is DRM, and directly in response to open source.
>
> Yet at the same time I recognize the truth in Linus's stance here.
> And personally, I'm going to speak with my walet by not buying any
> products from those fucknuts at TIVO. This is precisely the mechanism
> Linus said would decide if DRM is successful or not.
>
The sad part is that the earlier TiVos were eminently hackable, and it
seemed TiVo had no problem with people doing that. I suspect they've
gotten crap from DirectTV, with whom they've gotten pretty deeply
embedded. DirectTV is not exactly "hacker friendly", as the only
"hacker" they even know exist are the ones trying to crack their
access cards.
-hpa
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On Fri, 2003-05-02 at 12:00, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> The sad part is that the earlier TiVos were eminently hackable, and it
> seemed TiVo had no problem with people doing that.
Yes, this is exactly the part that upsets me.
Let me make it clear that what they do is probably legal.
Yet I personally am offended by their behavior. You mean that I wrote a
substantial amount of code that makes your damn product even possible
yet I can't boot my very own kernel on your box? Well, thanks a fucking
lot Tivo.
See, it's not about what you're allowed to do, it's about being nice to
people especially the ones that help you.
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On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 04:10:20PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote:
> See, it's not about what you're allowed to do, it's about being nice to
> people especially the ones that help you.
My thoughts exactly.
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