2022-03-03 06:30:28

by Sandeep Maheswaram

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Subject: [PATCH v2 0/3] Add QCOM SNPS PHY overriding params support

Added support for overriding tuning parameters in QCOM SNPS PHY
from device tree.

changes in v2:
Reading the individual fields in each overriding register from device tree.

Sandeep Maheswaram (3):
dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params
bindings
phy: qcom-snps: Add support for overriding phy tuning parameters
arm64: dts: qcom: sc7280: Update SNPS Phy params for SC7280 IDP device

.../bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml | 125 ++++++++++++++
arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sc7280-idp.dtsi | 6 +
drivers/phy/qualcomm/phy-qcom-snps-femto-v2.c | 192 +++++++++++++++++++++
3 files changed, 323 insertions(+)

--
2.7.4


2022-03-03 06:33:19

by Sandeep Maheswaram

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Subject: [PATCH v2 3/3] arm64: dts: qcom: sc7280: Update SNPS Phy params for SC7280 IDP device

Overriding the SNPS Phy tuning parameters for SC7280 IDP device.

Signed-off-by: Sandeep Maheswaram <[email protected]>
---
arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sc7280-idp.dtsi | 6 ++++++
1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)

diff --git a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sc7280-idp.dtsi b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sc7280-idp.dtsi
index ecbf2b8..0fbc5a1 100644
--- a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sc7280-idp.dtsi
+++ b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sc7280-idp.dtsi
@@ -317,6 +317,12 @@
vdda-pll-supply = <&vreg_l10c_0p8>;
vdda33-supply = <&vreg_l2b_3p0>;
vdda18-supply = <&vreg_l1c_1p8>;
+ qcom,hs-disconnect = <6>;
+ qcom,squelch-detector = <7>;
+ qcom,hs-amplitude = <11>;
+ qcom,hs-rise-fall-time = <2>;
+ qcom,hs-crossover-voltage = <1>;
+ qcom,hs-output-impedance = <1>;
};

&usb_1_qmpphy {
--
2.7.4

2022-03-03 06:52:46

by Sandeep Maheswaram

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Subject: [PATCH v2 1/3] dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params bindings

Add device tree bindings for SNPS phy tuning parameters.

Signed-off-by: Sandeep Maheswaram <[email protected]>
---
.../bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml | 125 +++++++++++++++++++++
1 file changed, 125 insertions(+)

diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
index 0dfe691..227c097 100644
--- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
+++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
@@ -50,6 +50,131 @@ properties:
vdda33-supply:
description: phandle to the regulator 3.3V supply node.

+ qcom,hs-disconnect:
+ $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
+ description:
+ This adjusts the voltage level for the threshold used to
+ detect a disconnect event at the host. Possible values are.
+ 7 -> +21.56%
+ 6 -> +17.43%
+ 5 -> +13.32%
+ 4 -> +9.73%
+ 3 -> +6.3
+ 2 -> +3.17%
+ 1 -> 0, Design default%
+ 0 -> -2.72%
+
+ qcom,squelch-detector:
+ $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
+ description:
+ This adjusts the voltage level for the threshold used to
+ detect valid high-speed data. Possible values are
+ 7-> -20.90%
+ 6-> -15.60%
+ 5-> -10.30%
+ 4-> -5.30%
+ 3-> 0, Design default%
+ 2-> +5.30%
+ 1-> +10.60%
+ 0-> +15.90%
+
+ qcom,hs-amplitude:
+ $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
+ description:
+ This adjusts the high-speed DC level voltage.
+ Possible values are
+ 15-> +26.70%
+ 14-> +24.30%
+ 13-> +22.20%
+ 12-> +20.00%
+ 11-> +17.80%
+ 10-> +15.60%
+ 9-> +13.30%
+ 8-> +11.10%
+ 7-> +8.90%
+ 6-> +6.50%
+ 5-> +4.40%
+ 4-> +2.30%
+ 3-> 0, Design default%
+ 2-> -2.20%
+ 1-> -4.40%
+ 0-> -6.60%
+
+ qcom,pre-emphasis-duration:
+ $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
+ description:
+ This signal controls the duration for which the
+ HS pre-emphasis current is sourced onto DP<#> or DM<#>.
+ The HS Transmitter pre-emphasis duration is defined in terms of
+ unit amounts. One unit of pre-emphasis duration is approximately
+ 650 ps and is defined as 1X pre-emphasis duration.
+ Possible values are
+ 1-> 1x, short pre-emphasis current duration
+ 0-> 2x, long pre-emphasis current duration
+
+ qcom,pre-emphasis-amplitude:
+ $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
+ description:
+ This signal controls the amount of current sourced to
+ DP<#> and DM<#> after a J-to-K or K-to-J transition.
+ The HS Transmitter pre-emphasis current is defined in terms of unit
+ amounts. One unit amount is approximately 2 mA and is defined as
+ 1X pre-emphasis current.
+ Possible values are
+ 3-> HS Transmitter pre-emphasis circuit sources 3x pre-emphasis
+ current.
+ 2-> (design default) HS Transmitter pre-emphasis circuit sources 2x
+ pre-emphasis current.
+ 1-> HS Transmitter pre-emphasis circuit sources 1x pre-emphasis
+ current.
+ 0-> HS Transmitter pre-emphasis circuit sources 4x pre-emphasis
+ current.
+
+ qcom,hs-rise-fall-time:
+ $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
+ description:
+ This adjusts the rise/fall times of the high-speed waveform.
+ Possible values are
+ 3-> -41.0%
+ 2-> 0, Design default
+ 1-> +28.1
+ 0-> +54.3%
+
+ qcom,hs-crossover-voltage:
+ $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
+ description:
+ This adjusts the voltage at which the DP<#> and DM<#>
+ signals cross while transmitting in HS mode.
+ Possible values are
+ 3-> 0, Default setting
+ 2-> +28 mV
+ 1-> -31 mV
+ 0-> Reserved
+
+ qcom,hs-output-impedance:
+ $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
+ description:
+ In some applications, there can be significant series resistance
+ on the D+ and D- paths between the transceiver and cable. This adjusts
+ the driver source impedance to compensate for added series
+ resistance on the USB.
+ 3-> Source impedance is decreased by approximately 2.3 ohms
+ 2-> 0, Design default
+ 1-> Source impedance is increased by approximately 2.6 ohms
+ 0-> Source impedance is increased by approximately 6.1 ohms
+
+ qcom,ls-fs-output-impedance:
+ $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
+ description:
+ This adjusts the low- and full-speed single-ended source
+ impedance while driving high. The following adjustment values are based
+ on nominal process, voltage, and temperature.
+ 15-> -10.53%
+ 7-> -5.57%
+ 3-> 0, Design default
+ 1-> +6.12%
+ 0-> +13.10%
+
required:
- compatible
- reg
--
2.7.4

2022-03-03 17:34:33

by Krzysztof Kozlowski

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params bindings

On 03/03/2022 07:13, Sandeep Maheswaram wrote:
> Add device tree bindings for SNPS phy tuning parameters.
>
> Signed-off-by: Sandeep Maheswaram <[email protected]>
> ---
> .../bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml | 125 +++++++++++++++++++++
> 1 file changed, 125 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> index 0dfe691..227c097 100644
> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> @@ -50,6 +50,131 @@ properties:
> vdda33-supply:
> description: phandle to the regulator 3.3V supply node.
>
> + qcom,hs-disconnect:
> + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> + description:
> + This adjusts the voltage level for the threshold used to
> + detect a disconnect event at the host. Possible values are.

':', instead of full stop.

> + 7 -> +21.56%
> + 6 -> +17.43%
> + 5 -> +13.32%
> + 4 -> +9.73%
> + 3 -> +6.3
> + 2 -> +3.17%
> + 1 -> 0, Design default%

Use "default:" instead. Here and in other places.

> + 0 -> -2.72%

In current form this should be an enum... but actually current form is
wrong. You should not store register values in DT. What if next version
of hardware has a different meaning of these values?

Instead, you should store here meaningful values, not register values.

This applies to all cases below.

> +
> + qcom,squelch-detector:
> + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> + description:
> + This adjusts the voltage level for the threshold used to
> + detect valid high-speed data. Possible values are
> + 7-> -20.90%
> + 6-> -15.60%
> + 5-> -10.30%
> + 4-> -5.30%
> + 3-> 0, Design default%
> + 2-> +5.30%
> + 1-> +10.60%
> + 0-> +15.90%
> +
> + qcom,hs-amplitude:
> + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> + description:
> + This adjusts the high-speed DC level voltage.
> + Possible values are
> + 15-> +26.70%
> + 14-> +24.30%
> + 13-> +22.20%
> + 12-> +20.00%
> + 11-> +17.80%
> + 10-> +15.60%
> + 9-> +13.30%
> + 8-> +11.10%
> + 7-> +8.90%
> + 6-> +6.50%
> + 5-> +4.40%
> + 4-> +2.30%
> + 3-> 0, Design default%
> + 2-> -2.20%
> + 1-> -4.40%
> + 0-> -6.60%
> +
> + qcom,pre-emphasis-duration:
> + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> + description:
> + This signal controls the duration for which the
> + HS pre-emphasis current is sourced onto DP<#> or DM<#>.
> + The HS Transmitter pre-emphasis duration is defined in terms of
> + unit amounts. One unit of pre-emphasis duration is approximately
> + 650 ps and is defined as 1X pre-emphasis duration.
> + Possible values are
> + 1-> 1x, short pre-emphasis current duration
> + 0-> 2x, long pre-emphasis current duration

I could understand encoding of percentages in way of register value, but
a boolean flag is too much.


Best regards,
Krzysztof

2022-03-04 11:55:08

by Stephen Boyd

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params bindings

Quoting Krzysztof Kozlowski (2022-03-03 07:59:22)
> On 03/03/2022 07:13, Sandeep Maheswaram wrote:
> > Add device tree bindings for SNPS phy tuning parameters.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Sandeep Maheswaram <[email protected]>
> > ---
> > .../bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml | 125 +++++++++++++++++++++
> > 1 file changed, 125 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> > index 0dfe691..227c097 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> > @@ -50,6 +50,131 @@ properties:
> > vdda33-supply:
> > description: phandle to the regulator 3.3V supply node.
> >
> > + qcom,hs-disconnect:
> > + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> > + description:
> > + This adjusts the voltage level for the threshold used to
> > + detect a disconnect event at the host. Possible values are.
>
> ':', instead of full stop.
>
> > + 7 -> +21.56%
> > + 6 -> +17.43%
> > + 5 -> +13.32%
> > + 4 -> +9.73%
> > + 3 -> +6.3
> > + 2 -> +3.17%
> > + 1 -> 0, Design default%
>
> Use "default:" instead. Here and in other places.
>
> > + 0 -> -2.72%
>
> In current form this should be an enum... but actually current form is
> wrong. You should not store register values in DT. What if next version
> of hardware has a different meaning of these values?
>
> Instead, you should store here meaningful values, not register values.

+1

To emphasize one point, meaningful values typically have a unit of
measure, like Hz, ms, mV, etc. What are the percentages adjusting from?
Is it a percentage decrease from the input voltage?

2022-03-14 09:30:26

by Pavan Kondeti

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params bindings

Hi Krzysztof,

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 08:39:57AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> On 14/03/2022 04:29, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> > Hi Krzysztof,
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 04:59:22PM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> >> On 03/03/2022 07:13, Sandeep Maheswaram wrote:
> >>> Add device tree bindings for SNPS phy tuning parameters.
> >>>
> >>> Signed-off-by: Sandeep Maheswaram <[email protected]>
> >>> ---
> >>> .../bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml | 125 +++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> 1 file changed, 125 insertions(+)
> >>>
> >>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> >>> index 0dfe691..227c097 100644
> >>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> >>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> >>> @@ -50,6 +50,131 @@ properties:
> >>> vdda33-supply:
> >>> description: phandle to the regulator 3.3V supply node.
> >>>
> >>> + qcom,hs-disconnect:
> >>> + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> >>> + description:
> >>> + This adjusts the voltage level for the threshold used to
> >>> + detect a disconnect event at the host. Possible values are.
> >>
> >> ':', instead of full stop.
> >>
> >>> + 7 -> +21.56%
> >>> + 6 -> +17.43%
> >>> + 5 -> +13.32%
> >>> + 4 -> +9.73%
> >>> + 3 -> +6.3
> >>> + 2 -> +3.17%
> >>> + 1 -> 0, Design default%
> >>
> >> Use "default:" instead. Here and in other places.
> >>
> >>> + 0 -> -2.72%
> >>
> >> In current form this should be an enum... but actually current form is
> >> wrong. You should not store register values in DT. What if next version
> >> of hardware has a different meaning of these values?
> >>
> >> Instead, you should store here meaningful values, not register values.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback.
> >
> > The values in % really makes the tuning easy. People look at the eye diagram
> > and decided whether to increase/decrease the margin. The absolute values
> > may not be that useful. All we need is an "adjustment" here. The databook
> > it self does not give any absolute values.
> >
> > I agree to the "enum" suggestion which we have been following for the
> > qusb2 driver already.
> >
> > The values have not changed in the last 5 years for this hardware block, so
> > defining enums for the % values would be really helpful.
>
> I did not say you cannot store here percentages. Quite opposite - store
> here the percentages. Just do not store register value. No. Please read
> my comment again - meaningful values are needed.
>

IIUC, you are asking us to come up with a meaningful values to encode the
percentage values. However, all the % increments are not linear, so we can't
come up with {min, max} scheme. Lets take an example of hostdisconnect
threshold.

As per the data book,

+ 7 -> +21.56%
+ 6 -> +17.43%
+ 5 -> +13.32%
+ 4 -> +9.73%
+ 3 -> +6.3
+ 2 -> +3.17%
+ 1 -> 0, Design default%
+ 0 -> -2.72%

so how do we give meaningful values here? Does the below scheme make sense
to you?

#define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_NEG_2P72 (-272)
#define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_DEFAULT 0
#define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_3P17 317
#define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_6P3 63
..
..

In the driver, we have a mapping (which can be per SoC if required in future)
that takes these values and convert to the correct values for a given
register.

Thanks,
Pavan

2022-03-14 11:18:56

by Pavan Kondeti

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params bindings

Hi Krzysztof,

Thanks for your suggestions and guidance on this.

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 09:36:02AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> On 14/03/2022 09:16, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> > Hi Krzysztof,
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 08:39:57AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> >> On 14/03/2022 04:29, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> >>> Hi Krzysztof,
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 04:59:22PM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> >>>> On 03/03/2022 07:13, Sandeep Maheswaram wrote:
> >>>>> Add device tree bindings for SNPS phy tuning parameters.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Signed-off-by: Sandeep Maheswaram <[email protected]>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> .../bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml | 125 +++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>> 1 file changed, 125 insertions(+)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> >>>>> index 0dfe691..227c097 100644
> >>>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> >>>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> >>>>> @@ -50,6 +50,131 @@ properties:
> >>>>> vdda33-supply:
> >>>>> description: phandle to the regulator 3.3V supply node.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> + qcom,hs-disconnect:
> >>>>> + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> >>>>> + description:
> >>>>> + This adjusts the voltage level for the threshold used to
> >>>>> + detect a disconnect event at the host. Possible values are.
> >>>>
> >>>> ':', instead of full stop.
> >>>>
> >>>>> + 7 -> +21.56%
> >>>>> + 6 -> +17.43%
> >>>>> + 5 -> +13.32%
> >>>>> + 4 -> +9.73%
> >>>>> + 3 -> +6.3
> >>>>> + 2 -> +3.17%
> >>>>> + 1 -> 0, Design default%
> >>>>
> >>>> Use "default:" instead. Here and in other places.
> >>>>
> >>>>> + 0 -> -2.72%
> >>>>
> >>>> In current form this should be an enum... but actually current form is
> >>>> wrong. You should not store register values in DT. What if next version
> >>>> of hardware has a different meaning of these values?
> >>>>
> >>>> Instead, you should store here meaningful values, not register values.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the feedback.
> >>>
> >>> The values in % really makes the tuning easy. People look at the eye diagram
> >>> and decided whether to increase/decrease the margin. The absolute values
> >>> may not be that useful. All we need is an "adjustment" here. The databook
> >>> it self does not give any absolute values.
> >>>
> >>> I agree to the "enum" suggestion which we have been following for the
> >>> qusb2 driver already.
> >>>
> >>> The values have not changed in the last 5 years for this hardware block, so
> >>> defining enums for the % values would be really helpful.
> >>
> >> I did not say you cannot store here percentages. Quite opposite - store
> >> here the percentages. Just do not store register value. No. Please read
> >> my comment again - meaningful values are needed.
> >>
> >
> > IIUC, you are asking us to come up with a meaningful values to encode the
> > percentage values. However, all the % increments are not linear, so we can't
> > come up with {min, max} scheme. Lets take an example of hostdisconnect
> > threshold.
> >
> > As per the data book,
> >
> > + 7 -> +21.56%
> > + 6 -> +17.43%
> > + 5 -> +13.32%
> > + 4 -> +9.73%
> > + 3 -> +6.3
> > + 2 -> +3.17%
> > + 1 -> 0, Design default%
> > + 0 -> -2.72%
> >
> > so how do we give meaningful values here? Does the below scheme make sense
> > to you?
>
> By "meaningful value" I mean something which has a understandable
> meaning to reader of this code or to hardware designer. For example
> percentage values or some units (ms, ns, Hz, mA, mV). The value used in
> register is not meaningful in that way to us because it has a meaning
> only to the hardware block. Storing register values is more difficult to
> read later, non-portable and non-scalable.
>
> >
> > #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_NEG_2P72 (-272)
> > #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_DEFAULT 0
> > #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_3P17 317
> > #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_6P3 63
>
> This is some define in driver, does not look related to bindings.
>
> > In the driver, we have a mapping (which can be per SoC if required in future)
> > that takes these values and convert to the correct values for a given
> > register.
>
> You focus on driver but I am talking here only about bindings.

I was saying we define those defines in include/dt-bindings/phy/... header and
use it in the device tree and as well in the driver.

>
> What could be the meaningful value? Percentage could work. You have
> there a negative value, so I wonder what type of percentage is it? What
> is the formula?

I just multiplied by 100 since device tree has no support for floating (as per
my knowledge). The negative value represents it lowers the disconnect
threshold by 2.72% of the default value. if it makes sense, we could also
start from 0 like below.

#define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_NEG_2P72_PCT 0
#define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_DEFAULT 1
#define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_3P17_PCT 2
#define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_6P3_PCT 3

The driver can have a table to map these bindings. This looks much better
than those x100 formula values.

> Your defines above look absolute, so maybe encode there absolute uV value?

Like I said, the data book it self does not give any absolute values. Since
pct values are more useful in electrical compliance tuning, better to stick
to pct values with proper encodings.

Thanks,
Pavan

2022-03-14 11:54:49

by Krzysztof Kozlowski

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params bindings

On 14/03/2022 10:40, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> Hi Krzysztof,
>
> Thanks for your suggestions and guidance on this.
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 09:36:02AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>> On 14/03/2022 09:16, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
>>> Hi Krzysztof,
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 08:39:57AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>>>> On 14/03/2022 04:29, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
>>>>> Hi Krzysztof,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 04:59:22PM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 03/03/2022 07:13, Sandeep Maheswaram wrote:
>>>>>>> Add device tree bindings for SNPS phy tuning parameters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Sandeep Maheswaram <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> .../bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml | 125 +++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>> 1 file changed, 125 insertions(+)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
>>>>>>> index 0dfe691..227c097 100644
>>>>>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
>>>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
>>>>>>> @@ -50,6 +50,131 @@ properties:
>>>>>>> vdda33-supply:
>>>>>>> description: phandle to the regulator 3.3V supply node.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> + qcom,hs-disconnect:
>>>>>>> + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
>>>>>>> + description:
>>>>>>> + This adjusts the voltage level for the threshold used to
>>>>>>> + detect a disconnect event at the host. Possible values are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ':', instead of full stop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> + 7 -> +21.56%
>>>>>>> + 6 -> +17.43%
>>>>>>> + 5 -> +13.32%
>>>>>>> + 4 -> +9.73%
>>>>>>> + 3 -> +6.3
>>>>>>> + 2 -> +3.17%
>>>>>>> + 1 -> 0, Design default%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Use "default:" instead. Here and in other places.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> + 0 -> -2.72%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In current form this should be an enum... but actually current form is
>>>>>> wrong. You should not store register values in DT. What if next version
>>>>>> of hardware has a different meaning of these values?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead, you should store here meaningful values, not register values.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> The values in % really makes the tuning easy. People look at the eye diagram
>>>>> and decided whether to increase/decrease the margin. The absolute values
>>>>> may not be that useful. All we need is an "adjustment" here. The databook
>>>>> it self does not give any absolute values.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree to the "enum" suggestion which we have been following for the
>>>>> qusb2 driver already.
>>>>>
>>>>> The values have not changed in the last 5 years for this hardware block, so
>>>>> defining enums for the % values would be really helpful.
>>>>
>>>> I did not say you cannot store here percentages. Quite opposite - store
>>>> here the percentages. Just do not store register value. No. Please read
>>>> my comment again - meaningful values are needed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> IIUC, you are asking us to come up with a meaningful values to encode the
>>> percentage values. However, all the % increments are not linear, so we can't
>>> come up with {min, max} scheme. Lets take an example of hostdisconnect
>>> threshold.
>>>
>>> As per the data book,
>>>
>>> + 7 -> +21.56%
>>> + 6 -> +17.43%
>>> + 5 -> +13.32%
>>> + 4 -> +9.73%
>>> + 3 -> +6.3
>>> + 2 -> +3.17%
>>> + 1 -> 0, Design default%
>>> + 0 -> -2.72%
>>>
>>> so how do we give meaningful values here? Does the below scheme make sense
>>> to you?
>>
>> By "meaningful value" I mean something which has a understandable
>> meaning to reader of this code or to hardware designer. For example
>> percentage values or some units (ms, ns, Hz, mA, mV). The value used in
>> register is not meaningful in that way to us because it has a meaning
>> only to the hardware block. Storing register values is more difficult to
>> read later, non-portable and non-scalable.
>>
>>>
>>> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_NEG_2P72 (-272)
>>> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_DEFAULT 0
>>> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_3P17 317
>>> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_6P3 63
>>
>> This is some define in driver, does not look related to bindings.
>>
>>> In the driver, we have a mapping (which can be per SoC if required in future)
>>> that takes these values and convert to the correct values for a given
>>> register.
>>
>> You focus on driver but I am talking here only about bindings.
>
> I was saying we define those defines in include/dt-bindings/phy/... header and
> use it in the device tree and as well in the driver.

Ah, I did not get it. That's not the solution for this case. defines in
dt-bindings are for constants which already can be in DT, e.g. IDs. Your
register values should not be stored in DT.

>
>>
>> What could be the meaningful value? Percentage could work. You have
>> there a negative value, so I wonder what type of percentage is it? What
>> is the formula?
>
> I just multiplied by 100 since device tree has no support for floating (as per
> my knowledge). The negative value represents it lowers the disconnect
> threshold by 2.72% of the default value. if it makes sense, we could also
> start from 0 like below.

ok

>
> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_NEG_2P72_PCT 0
> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_DEFAULT 1
> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_3P17_PCT 2
> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_6P3_PCT 3
>
> The driver can have a table to map these bindings. This looks much better
> than those x100 formula values.

Again mention driver how he can map it. I mostly don't care about the
driver. :)

I think we are getting around the problem, so to emphasize again: do not
store register values in the bindings/DT but its meaning, so in your
case most likely percentages (or permille or ratio or some other value).


Best regards,
Krzysztof

2022-03-14 12:05:12

by Pavan Kondeti

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params bindings

Hi Krzysztof,

On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 04:59:22PM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> On 03/03/2022 07:13, Sandeep Maheswaram wrote:
> > Add device tree bindings for SNPS phy tuning parameters.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Sandeep Maheswaram <[email protected]>
> > ---
> > .../bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml | 125 +++++++++++++++++++++
> > 1 file changed, 125 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> > index 0dfe691..227c097 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> > @@ -50,6 +50,131 @@ properties:
> > vdda33-supply:
> > description: phandle to the regulator 3.3V supply node.
> >
> > + qcom,hs-disconnect:
> > + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> > + description:
> > + This adjusts the voltage level for the threshold used to
> > + detect a disconnect event at the host. Possible values are.
>
> ':', instead of full stop.
>
> > + 7 -> +21.56%
> > + 6 -> +17.43%
> > + 5 -> +13.32%
> > + 4 -> +9.73%
> > + 3 -> +6.3
> > + 2 -> +3.17%
> > + 1 -> 0, Design default%
>
> Use "default:" instead. Here and in other places.
>
> > + 0 -> -2.72%
>
> In current form this should be an enum... but actually current form is
> wrong. You should not store register values in DT. What if next version
> of hardware has a different meaning of these values?
>
> Instead, you should store here meaningful values, not register values.
>

Thanks for the feedback.

The values in % really makes the tuning easy. People look at the eye diagram
and decided whether to increase/decrease the margin. The absolute values
may not be that useful. All we need is an "adjustment" here. The databook
it self does not give any absolute values.

I agree to the "enum" suggestion which we have been following for the
qusb2 driver already.

The values have not changed in the last 5 years for this hardware block, so
defining enums for the % values would be really helpful.

>
> > +
> > + qcom,squelch-detector:
> > + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> > + description:
> > + This adjusts the voltage level for the threshold used to
> > + detect valid high-speed data. Possible values are
> > + 7-> -20.90%
> > + 6-> -15.60%
> > + 5-> -10.30%
> > + 4-> -5.30%
> > + 3-> 0, Design default%
> > + 2-> +5.30%
> > + 1-> +10.60%
> > + 0-> +15.90%
> > +
> > + qcom,hs-amplitude:
> > + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> > + description:
> > + This adjusts the high-speed DC level voltage.
> > + Possible values are
> > + 15-> +26.70%
> > + 14-> +24.30%
> > + 13-> +22.20%
> > + 12-> +20.00%
> > + 11-> +17.80%
> > + 10-> +15.60%
> > + 9-> +13.30%
> > + 8-> +11.10%
> > + 7-> +8.90%
> > + 6-> +6.50%
> > + 5-> +4.40%
> > + 4-> +2.30%
> > + 3-> 0, Design default%
> > + 2-> -2.20%
> > + 1-> -4.40%
> > + 0-> -6.60%
> > +
> > + qcom,pre-emphasis-duration:
> > + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> > + description:
> > + This signal controls the duration for which the
> > + HS pre-emphasis current is sourced onto DP<#> or DM<#>.
> > + The HS Transmitter pre-emphasis duration is defined in terms of
> > + unit amounts. One unit of pre-emphasis duration is approximately
> > + 650 ps and is defined as 1X pre-emphasis duration.
> > + Possible values are
> > + 1-> 1x, short pre-emphasis current duration
> > + 0-> 2x, long pre-emphasis current duration
>
> I could understand encoding of percentages in way of register value, but
> a boolean flag is too much.
>

Agreed. This needs to be encoded in % as well (100% or 200%).

Thanks,
Pavan

2022-03-14 12:23:28

by Pavan Kondeti

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params bindings

Hi Krzysztof,

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 11:41:27AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> On 14/03/2022 11:30, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> > Hi Krzysztof,
> >
> >>
> >> Ah, I did not get it. That's not the solution for this case. defines in
> >> dt-bindings are for constants which already can be in DT, e.g. IDs. Your
> >> register values should not be stored in DT.
> >>
> > These are again not register definitions. These are encodings that dT and
> > driver can use. These would be constants only, no?
>
> What do you mean it is not a register value? I don't have access to
> datasheet/manual but I can clearly see code:
>
> + if (or->hs_disconnect.override)
> + qcom_snps_hsphy_write_mask(hsphy->base,
> + USB2_PHY_USB_PHY_HS_PHY_OVERRIDE_X0,
> + HS_DISCONNECT_MASK,
> + or->hs_disconnect.value << HS_DISCONNECT_SHIFT);
>
> You read the value from DT (e.g. "3" which means 6.3% for hs-disconnect)
> and you write it to a register. Directly. 3 is a value for the hardware,
> meaningless outside of it. It has meaning only in this one hardware
> programming model. For humans it means nothing. For humans 6.3% means
> something.
>

Right, This is what I have been saying will change. we don't pass the direct
register values anymore. Instead I am saying, we pass the percentage
multiplied by 100. For 6.3%, user will be passing 630 in device tree. for
-2.75% user will pass (-275).

Are we on the same page now?

Thanks,
Pavan

2022-03-14 12:24:11

by Krzysztof Kozlowski

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params bindings

On 14/03/2022 04:29, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> Hi Krzysztof,
>
> On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 04:59:22PM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>> On 03/03/2022 07:13, Sandeep Maheswaram wrote:
>>> Add device tree bindings for SNPS phy tuning parameters.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Sandeep Maheswaram <[email protected]>
>>> ---
>>> .../bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml | 125 +++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 1 file changed, 125 insertions(+)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
>>> index 0dfe691..227c097 100644
>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
>>> @@ -50,6 +50,131 @@ properties:
>>> vdda33-supply:
>>> description: phandle to the regulator 3.3V supply node.
>>>
>>> + qcom,hs-disconnect:
>>> + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
>>> + description:
>>> + This adjusts the voltage level for the threshold used to
>>> + detect a disconnect event at the host. Possible values are.
>>
>> ':', instead of full stop.
>>
>>> + 7 -> +21.56%
>>> + 6 -> +17.43%
>>> + 5 -> +13.32%
>>> + 4 -> +9.73%
>>> + 3 -> +6.3
>>> + 2 -> +3.17%
>>> + 1 -> 0, Design default%
>>
>> Use "default:" instead. Here and in other places.
>>
>>> + 0 -> -2.72%
>>
>> In current form this should be an enum... but actually current form is
>> wrong. You should not store register values in DT. What if next version
>> of hardware has a different meaning of these values?
>>
>> Instead, you should store here meaningful values, not register values.
>>
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> The values in % really makes the tuning easy. People look at the eye diagram
> and decided whether to increase/decrease the margin. The absolute values
> may not be that useful. All we need is an "adjustment" here. The databook
> it self does not give any absolute values.
>
> I agree to the "enum" suggestion which we have been following for the
> qusb2 driver already.
>
> The values have not changed in the last 5 years for this hardware block, so
> defining enums for the % values would be really helpful.

I did not say you cannot store here percentages. Quite opposite - store
here the percentages. Just do not store register value. No. Please read
my comment again - meaningful values are needed.


Best regards,
Krzysztof

2022-03-14 17:04:19

by Krzysztof Kozlowski

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params bindings

On 14/03/2022 11:30, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> Hi Krzysztof,
>
>>
>> Ah, I did not get it. That's not the solution for this case. defines in
>> dt-bindings are for constants which already can be in DT, e.g. IDs. Your
>> register values should not be stored in DT.
>>
> These are again not register definitions. These are encodings that dT and
> driver can use. These would be constants only, no?

What do you mean it is not a register value? I don't have access to
datasheet/manual but I can clearly see code:

+ if (or->hs_disconnect.override)
+ qcom_snps_hsphy_write_mask(hsphy->base,
+ USB2_PHY_USB_PHY_HS_PHY_OVERRIDE_X0,
+ HS_DISCONNECT_MASK,
+ or->hs_disconnect.value << HS_DISCONNECT_SHIFT);

You read the value from DT (e.g. "3" which means 6.3% for hs-disconnect)
and you write it to a register. Directly. 3 is a value for the hardware,
meaningless outside of it. It has meaning only in this one hardware
programming model. For humans it means nothing. For humans 6.3% means
something.

>>>
>>>>
>>>> What could be the meaningful value? Percentage could work. You have
>>>> there a negative value, so I wonder what type of percentage is it? What
>>>> is the formula?
>>>
>>> I just multiplied by 100 since device tree has no support for floating (as per
>>> my knowledge). The negative value represents it lowers the disconnect
>>> threshold by 2.72% of the default value. if it makes sense, we could also
>>> start from 0 like below.
>>
>> ok
>>
>>>
>>> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_NEG_2P72_PCT 0
>>> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_DEFAULT 1
>>> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_3P17_PCT 2
>>> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_6P3_PCT 3
>>>
>>> The driver can have a table to map these bindings. This looks much better
>>> than those x100 formula values.
>>
>> Again mention driver how he can map it. I mostly don't care about the
>> driver. :)
>>
>> I think we are getting around the problem, so to emphasize again: do not
>> store register values in the bindings/DT but its meaning, so in your
>> case most likely percentages (or permille or ratio or some other value).
>>
>
> I am really confused on what is that you mean by not storing the registers
> here. We are only giving enum values for specific percentages supported by
> the PHY.

The enum consists of values used in hardware registers. Values having
meaning only to this one particular hardware. Any other hardware will
not understand them.

IOW, you embed the hardware programming model in the DT. No.

> if you see -2.72 corresponds to 0 value on 0:2 bits of a register.
> I did not mention that in the device tree. we are giving constant values
> (enums) for all the possible percentage values. The user can see the
> dt-bindings file and pass the approriate value based on the compliance
> results. What is the objection?

You use some unrelated arguments. How does it matter what user can see
or cannot see?

>
> can you please give an example if you have something in mind?

I gave you an example - use percentages. Another example how it was done
wrong is here:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-devicetree/[email protected]/


Best regards,
Krzysztof

2022-03-14 18:10:49

by Krzysztof Kozlowski

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params bindings

On 14/03/2022 12:13, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> Hi Krzysztof,
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 11:41:27AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>> On 14/03/2022 11:30, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
>>> Hi Krzysztof,
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah, I did not get it. That's not the solution for this case. defines in
>>>> dt-bindings are for constants which already can be in DT, e.g. IDs. Your
>>>> register values should not be stored in DT.
>>>>
>>> These are again not register definitions. These are encodings that dT and
>>> driver can use. These would be constants only, no?
>>
>> What do you mean it is not a register value? I don't have access to
>> datasheet/manual but I can clearly see code:
>>
>> + if (or->hs_disconnect.override)
>> + qcom_snps_hsphy_write_mask(hsphy->base,
>> + USB2_PHY_USB_PHY_HS_PHY_OVERRIDE_X0,
>> + HS_DISCONNECT_MASK,
>> + or->hs_disconnect.value << HS_DISCONNECT_SHIFT);
>>
>> You read the value from DT (e.g. "3" which means 6.3% for hs-disconnect)
>> and you write it to a register. Directly. 3 is a value for the hardware,
>> meaningless outside of it. It has meaning only in this one hardware
>> programming model. For humans it means nothing. For humans 6.3% means
>> something.
>>
>
> Right, This is what I have been saying will change. we don't pass the direct
> register values anymore. Instead I am saying, we pass the percentage
> multiplied by 100. For 6.3%, user will be passing 630 in device tree. for
> -2.75% user will pass (-275).
>
> Are we on the same page now?

Yes, it sounds good. Thanks!

Best regards,
Krzysztof

2022-03-14 18:16:35

by Krzysztof Kozlowski

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params bindings

On 14/03/2022 09:16, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> Hi Krzysztof,
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 08:39:57AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>> On 14/03/2022 04:29, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
>>> Hi Krzysztof,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 04:59:22PM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>>>> On 03/03/2022 07:13, Sandeep Maheswaram wrote:
>>>>> Add device tree bindings for SNPS phy tuning parameters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Sandeep Maheswaram <[email protected]>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> .../bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml | 125 +++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> 1 file changed, 125 insertions(+)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
>>>>> index 0dfe691..227c097 100644
>>>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
>>>>> @@ -50,6 +50,131 @@ properties:
>>>>> vdda33-supply:
>>>>> description: phandle to the regulator 3.3V supply node.
>>>>>
>>>>> + qcom,hs-disconnect:
>>>>> + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
>>>>> + description:
>>>>> + This adjusts the voltage level for the threshold used to
>>>>> + detect a disconnect event at the host. Possible values are.
>>>>
>>>> ':', instead of full stop.
>>>>
>>>>> + 7 -> +21.56%
>>>>> + 6 -> +17.43%
>>>>> + 5 -> +13.32%
>>>>> + 4 -> +9.73%
>>>>> + 3 -> +6.3
>>>>> + 2 -> +3.17%
>>>>> + 1 -> 0, Design default%
>>>>
>>>> Use "default:" instead. Here and in other places.
>>>>
>>>>> + 0 -> -2.72%
>>>>
>>>> In current form this should be an enum... but actually current form is
>>>> wrong. You should not store register values in DT. What if next version
>>>> of hardware has a different meaning of these values?
>>>>
>>>> Instead, you should store here meaningful values, not register values.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>>
>>> The values in % really makes the tuning easy. People look at the eye diagram
>>> and decided whether to increase/decrease the margin. The absolute values
>>> may not be that useful. All we need is an "adjustment" here. The databook
>>> it self does not give any absolute values.
>>>
>>> I agree to the "enum" suggestion which we have been following for the
>>> qusb2 driver already.
>>>
>>> The values have not changed in the last 5 years for this hardware block, so
>>> defining enums for the % values would be really helpful.
>>
>> I did not say you cannot store here percentages. Quite opposite - store
>> here the percentages. Just do not store register value. No. Please read
>> my comment again - meaningful values are needed.
>>
>
> IIUC, you are asking us to come up with a meaningful values to encode the
> percentage values. However, all the % increments are not linear, so we can't
> come up with {min, max} scheme. Lets take an example of hostdisconnect
> threshold.
>
> As per the data book,
>
> + 7 -> +21.56%
> + 6 -> +17.43%
> + 5 -> +13.32%
> + 4 -> +9.73%
> + 3 -> +6.3
> + 2 -> +3.17%
> + 1 -> 0, Design default%
> + 0 -> -2.72%
>
> so how do we give meaningful values here? Does the below scheme make sense
> to you?

By "meaningful value" I mean something which has a understandable
meaning to reader of this code or to hardware designer. For example
percentage values or some units (ms, ns, Hz, mA, mV). The value used in
register is not meaningful in that way to us because it has a meaning
only to the hardware block. Storing register values is more difficult to
read later, non-portable and non-scalable.

>
> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_NEG_2P72 (-272)
> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_DEFAULT 0
> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_3P17 317
> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_6P3 63

This is some define in driver, does not look related to bindings.

> In the driver, we have a mapping (which can be per SoC if required in future)
> that takes these values and convert to the correct values for a given
> register.

You focus on driver but I am talking here only about bindings.

What could be the meaningful value? Percentage could work. You have
there a negative value, so I wonder what type of percentage is it? What
is the formula?

Your defines above look absolute, so maybe encode there absolute uV value?

Best regards,
Krzysztof

2022-03-17 02:24:37

by Pavan Kondeti

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] dt-bindings: phy: qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2: Add phy override params bindings

Hi Krzysztof,

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 11:08:05AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> On 14/03/2022 10:40, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> > Hi Krzysztof,
> >
> > Thanks for your suggestions and guidance on this.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 09:36:02AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> >> On 14/03/2022 09:16, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> >>> Hi Krzysztof,
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 08:39:57AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> >>>> On 14/03/2022 04:29, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Krzysztof,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 04:59:22PM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> >>>>>> On 03/03/2022 07:13, Sandeep Maheswaram wrote:
> >>>>>>> Add device tree bindings for SNPS phy tuning parameters.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Sandeep Maheswaram <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>> .../bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml | 125 +++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>>> 1 file changed, 125 insertions(+)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> >>>>>>> index 0dfe691..227c097 100644
> >>>>>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> >>>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/phy/qcom,usb-snps-femto-v2.yaml
> >>>>>>> @@ -50,6 +50,131 @@ properties:
> >>>>>>> vdda33-supply:
> >>>>>>> description: phandle to the regulator 3.3V supply node.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> + qcom,hs-disconnect:
> >>>>>>> + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> >>>>>>> + description:
> >>>>>>> + This adjusts the voltage level for the threshold used to
> >>>>>>> + detect a disconnect event at the host. Possible values are.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ':', instead of full stop.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> + 7 -> +21.56%
> >>>>>>> + 6 -> +17.43%
> >>>>>>> + 5 -> +13.32%
> >>>>>>> + 4 -> +9.73%
> >>>>>>> + 3 -> +6.3
> >>>>>>> + 2 -> +3.17%
> >>>>>>> + 1 -> 0, Design default%
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Use "default:" instead. Here and in other places.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> + 0 -> -2.72%
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In current form this should be an enum... but actually current form is
> >>>>>> wrong. You should not store register values in DT. What if next version
> >>>>>> of hardware has a different meaning of these values?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Instead, you should store here meaningful values, not register values.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the feedback.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The values in % really makes the tuning easy. People look at the eye diagram
> >>>>> and decided whether to increase/decrease the margin. The absolute values
> >>>>> may not be that useful. All we need is an "adjustment" here. The databook
> >>>>> it self does not give any absolute values.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I agree to the "enum" suggestion which we have been following for the
> >>>>> qusb2 driver already.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The values have not changed in the last 5 years for this hardware block, so
> >>>>> defining enums for the % values would be really helpful.
> >>>>
> >>>> I did not say you cannot store here percentages. Quite opposite - store
> >>>> here the percentages. Just do not store register value. No. Please read
> >>>> my comment again - meaningful values are needed.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> IIUC, you are asking us to come up with a meaningful values to encode the
> >>> percentage values. However, all the % increments are not linear, so we can't
> >>> come up with {min, max} scheme. Lets take an example of hostdisconnect
> >>> threshold.
> >>>
> >>> As per the data book,
> >>>
> >>> + 7 -> +21.56%
> >>> + 6 -> +17.43%
> >>> + 5 -> +13.32%
> >>> + 4 -> +9.73%
> >>> + 3 -> +6.3
> >>> + 2 -> +3.17%
> >>> + 1 -> 0, Design default%
> >>> + 0 -> -2.72%
> >>>
> >>> so how do we give meaningful values here? Does the below scheme make sense
> >>> to you?
> >>
> >> By "meaningful value" I mean something which has a understandable
> >> meaning to reader of this code or to hardware designer. For example
> >> percentage values or some units (ms, ns, Hz, mA, mV). The value used in
> >> register is not meaningful in that way to us because it has a meaning
> >> only to the hardware block. Storing register values is more difficult to
> >> read later, non-portable and non-scalable.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_NEG_2P72 (-272)
> >>> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_DEFAULT 0
> >>> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_3P17 317
> >>> #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_6P3 63
> >>
> >> This is some define in driver, does not look related to bindings.
> >>
> >>> In the driver, we have a mapping (which can be per SoC if required in future)
> >>> that takes these values and convert to the correct values for a given
> >>> register.
> >>
> >> You focus on driver but I am talking here only about bindings.
> >
> > I was saying we define those defines in include/dt-bindings/phy/... header and
> > use it in the device tree and as well in the driver.
>
> Ah, I did not get it. That's not the solution for this case. defines in
> dt-bindings are for constants which already can be in DT, e.g. IDs. Your
> register values should not be stored in DT.
>
These are again not register definitions. These are encodings that dT and
driver can use. These would be constants only, no?

> >
> >>
> >> What could be the meaningful value? Percentage could work. You have
> >> there a negative value, so I wonder what type of percentage is it? What
> >> is the formula?
> >
> > I just multiplied by 100 since device tree has no support for floating (as per
> > my knowledge). The negative value represents it lowers the disconnect
> > threshold by 2.72% of the default value. if it makes sense, we could also
> > start from 0 like below.
>
> ok
>
> >
> > #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_NEG_2P72_PCT 0
> > #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_DEFAULT 1
> > #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_3P17_PCT 2
> > #define QCOM_SNPS_FEMTO_HS_DISCONNECT_6P3_PCT 3
> >
> > The driver can have a table to map these bindings. This looks much better
> > than those x100 formula values.
>
> Again mention driver how he can map it. I mostly don't care about the
> driver. :)
>
> I think we are getting around the problem, so to emphasize again: do not
> store register values in the bindings/DT but its meaning, so in your
> case most likely percentages (or permille or ratio or some other value).
>

I am really confused on what is that you mean by not storing the registers
here. We are only giving enum values for specific percentages supported by
the PHY. if you see -2.72 corresponds to 0 value on 0:2 bits of a register.
I did not mention that in the device tree. we are giving constant values
(enums) for all the possible percentage values. The user can see the
dt-bindings file and pass the approriate value based on the compliance
results. What is the objection?

can you please give an example if you have something in mind?

Thanks,
Pavan