At Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:55:00 -0500,
Ed Tomlinson wrote:
>
> On December 30, 2003 06:41 am, Samium Gromoff wrote:
> > Reality sucks.
> >
> > People are ignorant enough to turn blind eye to obvious vm regressions.
> >
> > No developers run 64M boxens anymore...
>
> No one is turning a blind eye. Notice Linus has reponded to and is interested in this
> thread. The vm is not perfect in all cases - in most cases it is faster though...
"in most cases it is faster" is a big lie.
The reality is: on all usual one-way boxes 2.6 goes slower than 2.4 once you start paging.
Ask Roger Luethi. (And yes, i have done tests myself)
One of the worst things i see about it is that people are so terribly misinformed.
> Ed Tomlinson
regards, Samium Gromoff
On January 05, 2004 07:33 am, Samium Gromoff wrote:
> At Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:55:00 -0500,
>
> Ed Tomlinson wrote:
> > On December 30, 2003 06:41 am, Samium Gromoff wrote:
> > > Reality sucks.
> > >
> > > People are ignorant enough to turn blind eye to obvious vm regressions.
> > >
> > > No developers run 64M boxens anymore...
> >
> > No one is turning a blind eye. Notice Linus has reponded to and is
> > interested in this thread. The vm is not perfect in all cases - in most
> > cases it is faster though...
>
> "in most cases it is faster" is a big lie.
>
> The reality is: on all usual one-way boxes 2.6 goes slower than 2.4 once
> you start paging.
I would argue that in most case you do not page or page very little - know that is
the case here.
In any case it does point out what part of the system needs to be improved.
Ed
On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Ed Tomlinson wrote:
>
> On January 05, 2004 07:33 am, Samium Gromoff wrote:
> > At Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:55:00 -0500,
> >
> > Ed Tomlinson wrote:
> > > On December 30, 2003 06:41 am, Samium Gromoff wrote:
> > > > Reality sucks.
> > > >
> > > > People are ignorant enough to turn blind eye to obvious vm regressions.
> > > >
> > > > No developers run 64M boxens anymore...
> > >
> > > No one is turning a blind eye. Notice Linus has reponded to and is
> > > interested in this thread. The vm is not perfect in all cases - in most
> > > cases it is faster though...
> >
> > "in most cases it is faster" is a big lie.
> >
> > The reality is: on all usual one-way boxes 2.6 goes slower than 2.4 once
> > you start paging.
>
> I would argue that in most case you do not page or page very little - know that is
> the case here.
>
This may be true of you have lots of memory, but with memory hogs like
mozilla and openoffice out there anyone who is working on an older machine
will be pageing, if only for the time it takes for the huge bloated
desktop app to start and get it's working set into memory.
things get even worse if you make the mistake of useing Gnome or KDE for
your desktop.
David Lang
--
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
At Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:23:54 -0800 (PST),
David Lang wrote:
>
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Ed Tomlinson wrote:
>
> >
> > On January 05, 2004 07:33 am, Samium Gromoff wrote:
> > > At Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:55:00 -0500,
> > >
> > > Ed Tomlinson wrote:
> > > > On December 30, 2003 06:41 am, Samium Gromoff wrote:
> > > > > Reality sucks.
> > > > >
> > > > > People are ignorant enough to turn blind eye to obvious vm regressions.
> > > > >
> > > > > No developers run 64M boxens anymore...
> > > >
> > > > No one is turning a blind eye. Notice Linus has reponded to and is
> > > > interested in this thread. The vm is not perfect in all cases - in most
> > > > cases it is faster though...
> > >
> > > "in most cases it is faster" is a big lie.
> > >
> > > The reality is: on all usual one-way boxes 2.6 goes slower than 2.4 once
> > > you start paging.
> >
> > I would argue that in most case you do not page or page very little - know that is
> > the case here.
> >
>
> This may be true of you have lots of memory, but with memory hogs like
> mozilla and openoffice out there anyone who is working on an older machine
> will be pageing, if only for the time it takes for the huge bloated
> desktop app to start and get it's working set into memory.
>
> things get even worse if you make the mistake of useing Gnome or KDE for
> your desktop.
I`ve timed delta("exec startx", `last io') with 64M RAM on my box.
The desktop consisted of wmaker, several xterms, devhelp (gnome2 app) and
several (3-4) wmaker applets, with devhelp being the hoggiest hog.
I also hade several services in the background, but they`re mostly irrelevant,
due to inactivity.
The discovery was that 2.6.0-test9 was about 1.5x slower to reach the `noio'
state than 2.4.20-pre9.
And no, i don`t use ide on my desktop, so no dma issues there ;-)
> David Lang
>
> --
> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
> by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
regards, Samium Gromoff