Is the issue that the regdb currently limits DK to 2.4GHz operation (5GHz is disabled)?
If I understand this email string, then clearly DK should be corrected to enable 5GHz operation.
I believe DK should be set to the same 5GHz channel and power settings per the Harmonized standard EN301 893. This is true of all countries that accept CE Marking.
If this patch/issue is about something else, then please let me know.
tks,
Michael Green
Atheros Communications, Inc.
[email protected]
Desk: +1-781-400-1491
Mobile: +1-508-380-4921
-----Original Message-----
From: Kurt Garloff [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 4:15 AM
To: John W. Linville
Cc: Michael Green; Luis R. Rodriguez; [email protected]; Johannes Berg; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: update rules for DE
John,
enjoy your birthday!
Michael,
enjoy vacation!
I submitted this change 6 months ago.
I was surprised that my ath9k device would not do anything in the 5GHz band unlike all neighour countries, found out that this is due to the regulatory DB and started studying the regulations to see whether it's justified.
A few days certainly don't make a difference here. Review carefully when you can get to it next week.
Best,
--
Kurt Garloff, VP OPS Partner Engineering -- Novell Inc.
SUSE: Supporting Linux since 1992.
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:04:14PM -0500, John W. Linville wrote:
> FWIW, I'm out on Friday anyway -- it's my birthday! :-)
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 01:23:42PM -0800, Michael Green wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I am on PTO until Monday. Do I need to read this now and respond or can it wait? I am not asking you to hold anything up due to me. But if you want me to give feedback on something, pls let me know if it can wait until Mon.
> >
> > Michael Green
> > Atheros Communications, Inc.
> > [email protected]
> > Desk: +1-781-400-1491
> > Mobile: +1-508-380-4921
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Luis R. Rodriguez [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:29 PM
> > To: John W. Linville; Michael Green
> > Cc: [email protected]; Johannes Berg; Kurt Garloff;
> > [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: update rules for DE
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:36 PM, John W. Linville
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > From: Kurt Garloff <[email protected]>
> > >
> > > http://marc.info/?l=linux-wireless&m=127480075306482&w=2
> > >
> > > Cc: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <[email protected]>
> > > Acked-by: Johannes Berg <[email protected]>
> > > Signed-off-by: John W. Linville <[email protected]>
> > > ---
> > > Time to clear the logjam...
> >
> > Michael, are you subscribed to wireless-regdb now? Did you get this e-mail? ACK?
> >
> > Luis
> >
> > > ?db.txt | ? 24 +++++++++++++++++-------
> > > ?1 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> > > index e63a43e..40a8bbc 100644
> > > --- a/db.txt
> > > +++ b/db.txt
> > > @@ -176,17 +176,27 @@ country CZ:
> > > ? ? ? ?(5250 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> > > ? ? ? ?(5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 1000 mW), DFS
> > >
> > > -# Data from "Frequenznutzungsplan" (as published in April 2008),
> > > -# downloaded from
> > > http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/media/archive/13358.pdf
> > > -# Also applicable is
> > > http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/media/archive/5009.pdf
> > > -# On the 5 GHz ranges TX power can be doubled if TPC is implemented.
> > > +# Data from "Frequenznutzungsplan" (as published in April 2008),
> > > +downloaded from #
> > > +http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/cae/servlet/contentblob/38448/pub
> > > +licationFile/2659/Frequenznutzungsplan2008_Id17448pdf.pdf
> > > +# For the 5GHz range also see
> > > +#
> > > +http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/cae/servlet/contentblob/38216/pub
> > > +licationFile/6579/WLAN5GHzVfg7_2010_28042010pdf.pdf
> > > +# The values have been reduced by a factor of 2 (3db) for non TPC
> > > +devices # (in other words: devices with TPC can use twice the tx power of this table).
> > > +# Note that the docs do not require TPC for 5150--5250; the
> > > +reduction to # 100mW thus is not strictly required -- however the
> > > +conservative 100mW # limit is used here as the non-interference
> > > +with radar and satellite # apps relies on the attenuation by the
> > > +building walls only in the # absence of DFS; the neighbour countries have 100mW limit here as well.
> > > +
> > > ?country DE:
> > > ? ? ? ?# entries 279004 and 280006
> > > ? ? ? ?(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
> > > - ? ? ? # entries 303005, 304002 and 305002
> > > - ? ? ? (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> > > + ? ? ? # entry 303005
> > > + ? ? ? (5150 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR
> > > + ? ? ? # entries 304002 and 305002
> > > + ? ? ? (5250 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> > > ? ? ? ?# entries 308002, 309001 and 310003
> > > - ? ? ? (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> > > + ? ? ? (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS
> > >
> > > ?country DK:
> > > ? ? ? ?(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
> > > --
> > > 1.7.3.2
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> John W. Linville ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Someday the world will need a hero,
> and you [email protected] ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?might be all we have. ?Be ready.
>
No Michael, let me review the patch with you and I'll comment on each
change it makes to make it clear to you. The lines with no - or + on
the left mean that the line is left intact, its present just for
reference. The lines with - mean that the line is being removed. The
lines with + mean that the line is being added. So we have:
# entries 279004 and 280006
(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
- # entries 303005, 304002 and 305002
- (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
+ # entry 303005
+ (5150 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR
So the 5150 - 5350 range is being reduced to 5150 - 5250 and removing
DFS as a requirement for that range.
+ # entries 304002 and 305002
+ (5250 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
The removed bit of frequency gets added back but with DFS left as a requirement.
# entries 308002, 309001 and 310003
- (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
+ (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS
And finally, the 5470 - 5725 range now is being changed to allow
outdoor operation.
Let me know if this makes things clearer.
Luis
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Michael Green
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Is the issue that the regdb currently limits DK to 2.4GHz operation (5GHz is disabled)?
>
> If I understand this email string, then clearly DK should be corrected to enable 5GHz operation.
>
> I believe DK should be set to the same 5GHz channel and power settings per the Harmonized standard EN301 893. This is true of all countries that accept CE Marking.
>
> If this patch/issue is about something else, then please let me know.
>
> tks,
>
> Michael Green
> Atheros Communications, Inc.
> [email protected]
> Desk: +1-781-400-1491
> Mobile: +1-508-380-4921
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kurt Garloff [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 4:15 AM
> To: John W. Linville
> Cc: Michael Green; Luis R. Rodriguez; [email protected]; Johannes Berg; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: update rules for DE
>
> John,
>
> enjoy your birthday!
>
> Michael,
>
> enjoy vacation!
>
> I submitted this change 6 months ago.
> I was surprised that my ath9k device would not do anything in the 5GHz band unlike all neighour countries, found out that this is due to the regulatory DB and started studying the regulations to see whether it's justified.
>
> A few days certainly don't make a difference here. Review carefully when you can get to it next week.
>
> Best,
> --
> Kurt Garloff, VP OPS Partner Engineering -- Novell Inc.
> SUSE: Supporting Linux since 1992.
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:04:14PM -0500, John W. Linville wrote:
>> FWIW, I'm out on Friday anyway -- it's my birthday! :-)
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 01:23:42PM -0800, Michael Green wrote:
>> > Hi guys,
>> >
>> > I am on PTO until Monday. Do I need to read this now and respond or can it wait? I am not asking you to hold anything up due to me. But if you want me to give feedback on something, pls let me know if it can wait until Mon.
>> >
>> > Michael Green
>> > Atheros Communications, Inc.
>> > [email protected]
>> > Desk: +1-781-400-1491
>> > Mobile: +1-508-380-4921
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Luis R. Rodriguez [mailto:[email protected]]
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:29 PM
>> > To: John W. Linville; Michael Green
>> > Cc: [email protected]; Johannes Berg; Kurt Garloff;
>> > [email protected]
>> > Subject: Re: [PATCH] wireless-regdb: update rules for DE
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:36 PM, John W. Linville
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > From: Kurt Garloff <[email protected]>
>> > >
>> > > http://marc.info/?l=linux-wireless&m=127480075306482&w=2
>> > >
>> > > Cc: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <[email protected]>
>> > > Acked-by: Johannes Berg <[email protected]>
>> > > Signed-off-by: John W. Linville <[email protected]>
>> > > ---
>> > > Time to clear the logjam...
>> >
>> > Michael, are you subscribed to wireless-regdb now? Did you get this e-mail? ACK?
>> >
>> > Luis
>> >
>> > > db.txt | 24 +++++++++++++++++-------
>> > > 1 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
>> > >
>> > > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
>> > > index e63a43e..40a8bbc 100644
>> > > --- a/db.txt
>> > > +++ b/db.txt
>> > > @@ -176,17 +176,27 @@ country CZ:
>> > > (5250 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
>> > > (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 1000 mW), DFS
>> > >
>> > > -# Data from "Frequenznutzungsplan" (as published in April 2008),
>> > > -# downloaded from
>> > > http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/media/archive/13358.pdf
>> > > -# Also applicable is
>> > > http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/media/archive/5009.pdf
>> > > -# On the 5 GHz ranges TX power can be doubled if TPC is implemented.
>> > > +# Data from "Frequenznutzungsplan" (as published in April 2008),
>> > > +downloaded from #
>> > > +http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/cae/servlet/contentblob/38448/pub
>> > > +licationFile/2659/Frequenznutzungsplan2008_Id17448pdf.pdf
>> > > +# For the 5GHz range also see
>> > > +#
>> > > +http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/cae/servlet/contentblob/38216/pub
>> > > +licationFile/6579/WLAN5GHzVfg7_2010_28042010pdf.pdf
>> > > +# The values have been reduced by a factor of 2 (3db) for non TPC
>> > > +devices # (in other words: devices with TPC can use twice the tx power of this table).
>> > > +# Note that the docs do not require TPC for 5150--5250; the
>> > > +reduction to # 100mW thus is not strictly required -- however the
>> > > +conservative 100mW # limit is used here as the non-interference
>> > > +with radar and satellite # apps relies on the attenuation by the
>> > > +building walls only in the # absence of DFS; the neighbour countries have 100mW limit here as well.
>> > > +
>> > > country DE:
>> > > # entries 279004 and 280006
>> > > (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
>> > > - # entries 303005, 304002 and 305002
>> > > - (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
>> > > + # entry 303005
>> > > + (5150 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR
>> > > + # entries 304002 and 305002
>> > > + (5250 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
>> > > # entries 308002, 309001 and 310003
>> > > - (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
>> > > + (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS
>> > >
>> > > country DK:
>> > > (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
>> > > --
>> > > 1.7.3.2
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>> --
>> John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero,
>> and you [email protected] might be all we have. Be ready.
>>
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