Subject: Re: Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!]

Stephan von Krawczynski <[email protected]> writes:

>copy-protected I cannot do that _legally_, because breaking the protection is
>against DMCA. Now you just created the case where _buying_ something does not

You live in which country? So why do you care about archaic law in
foreign countries? The DMCA doesn't apply (yet) to the E.U. It might
be illegal in the UK to drive on the motorway on the right side. This
doesn't stop me from doing so over here in Germany.

Copying a CD for private use is perfectly legal here in Germany.
Copy protecting a CD is also perfectly legal over here in Germany.

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Henning
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2003-05-07 14:32:22

by Stephan von Krawczynski

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Subject: Re: Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!]

On Tue, 6 May 2003 15:58:02 +0000 (UTC)
"Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Stephan von Krawczynski <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >copy-protected I cannot do that _legally_, because breaking the protection
> >is against DMCA. Now you just created the case where _buying_ something does
> >not
>
> You live in which country? So why do you care about archaic law in
> foreign countries? The DMCA doesn't apply (yet) to the E.U.

This is not completely true. You can be imprisoned (and "handed over") even as
E.U. citizen to US for violation of US laws. E.U. signed a respective
agreement. As far as I know no case was filed up to now, but that does not mean
it weren't possible.
It was obviously a complete brain-damage of the officials to pass something
like that, it looked a lot like the ongoing case of giving away all E.U.
customer flight data to the US, not only those flighing to the US.
And additionally look at the currently ongoing discussion about the second part
of the new german Urheberrecht which is said to come somewhen this autumn.
There is a clear statement that private copies are illegal after that passed
parliament.

> Copying a CD for private use is perfectly legal here in Germany.

Just wait 6 month and see...

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Stephan

2003-05-07 15:14:58

by Alan

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On Mer, 2003-05-07 at 15:44, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote:
> This is not completely true. You can be imprisoned (and "handed over") even as
> E.U. citizen to US for violation of US laws. E.U. signed a respective
> agreement. As far as I know no case was filed up to now, but that does not mean
> it weren't possible.

Only if the crime in question is also a crime in the EU, and a whole
list of other conditions about who/where the crime was committed against
(and that it doesnt cover crimes with a death sentence). Also even
within the EU certain kinds of financial crimes are exempted so that
the italians would sign it

> > Copying a CD for private use is perfectly legal here in Germany.
>
> Just wait 6 month and see...

Indeed