2009-01-15 22:57:09

by Joe Perches

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Subject: Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 04:59 +0000, Linux Kernel Mailing List wrote:
> [XFS] Update maintainers
> New maintainer contact and new tree location.
> ---
> MAINTAINERS | 4 ++--
> 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> index a018844..5f74bce 100644
> --- a/MAINTAINERS
> +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> @@ -4824,11 +4824,11 @@ S: Supported
>
> XFS FILESYSTEM
> P: Silicon Graphics Inc
> -P: Tim Shimmin
> +P: Bill O'Donnell
> M: [email protected]
> L: [email protected]
> W: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs
> -T: git git://oss.sgi.com:8090/xfs/xfs-2.6.git
> +T: git://oss.sgi.com/xfs/xfs.git
> S: Supported

Should your email address appear here? Perhaps:

XFS FILESYSTEM
P: Bill O'Donnell
M: [email protected]
P: Silicon Graphics Inc
M: [email protected]
L: [email protected]
W: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs
T: git://oss.sgi.com/xfs/xfs.git
S: Supported


2009-01-16 01:05:28

by Bill O'Donnell

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Subject: Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 02:35:36PM -0800, Joe Perches wrote:
| On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 04:59 +0000, Linux Kernel Mailing List wrote:
| > [XFS] Update maintainers
| > New maintainer contact and new tree location.
| > ---
| > MAINTAINERS | 4 ++--
| > 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
| >
| > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
| > index a018844..5f74bce 100644
| > --- a/MAINTAINERS
| > +++ b/MAINTAINERS
| > @@ -4824,11 +4824,11 @@ S: Supported
| >
| > XFS FILESYSTEM
| > P: Silicon Graphics Inc
| > -P: Tim Shimmin
| > +P: Bill O'Donnell
| > M: [email protected]
| > L: [email protected]
| > W: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs
| > -T: git git://oss.sgi.com:8090/xfs/xfs-2.6.git
| > +T: git://oss.sgi.com/xfs/xfs.git
| > S: Supported
|
| Should your email address appear here? Perhaps:
|
| XFS FILESYSTEM
| P: Bill O'Donnell
| M: [email protected]
| P: Silicon Graphics Inc
| M: [email protected]
| L: [email protected]
| W: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs
| T: git://oss.sgi.com/xfs/xfs.git
| S: Supported
|

No, I'd prefer we keep the maintainer contact address
as a centralized SGI mail address. In fact, it would be
best if we remove my name entirely, and leave contact
completely centralized to SGI. I propose the
following:

XFS FILESYSTEM
P: Silicon Graphics Inc
M: [email protected]
L: [email protected]
W: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs
T: git://oss.sgi.com/xfs/xfs.git
S: Supported


2009-01-18 16:52:51

by Peter Zijlstra

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Subject: Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:05 -0600, Bill O'Donnell wrote:
> No, I'd prefer we keep the maintainer contact address
> as a centralized SGI mail address. In fact, it would be
> best if we remove my name entirely, and leave contact
> completely centralized to SGI.

Do I read this as nobody wanting to be personally responsible for XFS
anymore?

I suppose its a good thing we know where to find Christoph and Dave,
just in case.

2009-01-18 18:49:21

by Bill O'Donnell

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Subject: Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 05:52:18PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
| On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:05 -0600, Bill O'Donnell wrote:
| > No, I'd prefer we keep the maintainer contact address
| > as a centralized SGI mail address. In fact, it would be
| > best if we remove my name entirely, and leave contact
| > completely centralized to SGI.
|
| Do I read this as nobody wanting to be personally responsible for XFS
| anymore?

No, you're misunderstanding. Rather than a single POC, there are
multiple contacts inside SGI, devoted to XFS.

2009-01-18 21:06:30

by Christoph Hellwig

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Subject: Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 02:35:36PM -0800, Joe Perches wrote:
> Should your email address appear here? Perhaps:

If it was supposed to reflect reality not SGI address should be listed
at all..

In either way listing a company as maintainer is wrong. Maintainers
are invidual persons or teams thereof and not companies.

2009-01-18 22:21:27

by Joe Perches

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Subject: Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 16:06 -0500, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> In either way listing a company as maintainer is wrong. Maintainers
> are invidual persons or teams thereof and not companies.

I believe:

It's better to have individuals listed
Front-end company/org addresses should be OK
Names without email addresses should not be OK

Other front-end addresses from MAINTAINERS:

AACRAID SCSI RAID DRIVER
P: Adaptec OEM Raid Solutions
M: [email protected]

DVB SUBSYSTEM AND DRIVERS
P: LinuxTV.org Project
M: [email protected]

HIGHPOINT ROCKETRAID 3xxx RAID DRIVER
P: HighPoint Linux Team
M: [email protected]

2009-01-19 00:08:36

by Bill O'Donnell

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Subject: Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 04:06:19PM -0500, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
| On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 02:35:36PM -0800, Joe Perches wrote:
| > Should your email address appear here? Perhaps:
|
| If it was supposed to reflect reality not SGI address should be listed
| at all..
OK, I'm going to ignore this sarcasm.

|
| In either way listing a company as maintainer is wrong. Maintainers
| are invidual persons or teams thereof and not companies.
|

I think there are other cases of generic addresses in the file.

2009-01-19 00:10:28

by Christoph Hellwig

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Subject: Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 06:14:50PM -0600, Bill O'Donnell wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 04:06:19PM -0500, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> | On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 02:35:36PM -0800, Joe Perches wrote:
> | > Should your email address appear here? Perhaps:
> |
> | If it was supposed to reflect reality not SGI address should be listed
> | at all..
> OK, I'm going to ignore this sarcasm.

It's not sarcasm. Show me a single person still at SGI when Lachlan
finally goes that had a single commit to XFS in the last two years, or
for that matter did any community bug triage.

2009-01-19 03:07:17

by Dave Chinner

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Subject: Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 05:52:18PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:05 -0600, Bill O'Donnell wrote:
> > No, I'd prefer we keep the maintainer contact address
> > as a centralized SGI mail address. In fact, it would be
> > best if we remove my name entirely, and leave contact
> > completely centralized to SGI.
>
> Do I read this as nobody wanting to be personally responsible for XFS
> anymore?
>
> I suppose its a good thing we know where to find Christoph and Dave,
> just in case.

FWIW, both Christoph and I are on that xfs-masters email list - it's
not actually a "sgi" point of contact at all...

Cheers,

Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
[email protected]

2009-01-19 03:14:04

by Bill O'Donnell

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Subject: Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 02:06:57PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
| On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 05:52:18PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
| > On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:05 -0600, Bill O'Donnell wrote:
| > > No, I'd prefer we keep the maintainer contact address
| > > as a centralized SGI mail address. In fact, it would be
| > > best if we remove my name entirely, and leave contact
| > > completely centralized to SGI.
| >
| > Do I read this as nobody wanting to be personally responsible for XFS
| > anymore?
| >
| > I suppose its a good thing we know where to find Christoph and Dave,
| > just in case.
|
| FWIW, both Christoph and I are on that xfs-masters email list - it's
| not actually a "sgi" point of contact at all...

OK, thanks Dave, we'll fix it up sometime next week.
Cheers-
Bill

2009-01-19 11:15:47

by Alan

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Subject: Re: [XFS] Update maintainers

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:21:49 -0800
Joe Perches <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 16:06 -0500, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > In either way listing a company as maintainer is wrong. Maintainers
> > are invidual persons or teams thereof and not companies.
>
> I believe:
>
> It's better to have individuals listed
> Front-end company/org addresses should be OK
> Names without email addresses should not be OK

Agreed entirely - people move between companies. In many cases we've had
tons of stuff to maintainers simply go missing because people left,
Having it go to internal groups makes a lot more sense if that is what
people want.