2024-04-16 20:47:48

by Boris Ostrovsky

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Subject: [PATCH] KVM/x86: Do not clear SIPI while in SMM

When a processor is running in SMM and receives INIT message the interrupt
is left pending until SMM is exited. On the other hand, SIPI, which
typically follows INIT, is discarded. This presents a problem since sender
has no way of knowing that its SIPI has been dropped, which results in
processor failing to come up.

Keeping the SIPI pending avoids this scenario.

Signed-off-by: Boris Ostrovsky <[email protected]>
---
I am not sure whether non-SMM cases should clear the bit.

arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c | 8 ++++----
1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)

diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c b/arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c
index cf37586f0466..4a57b69efc7f 100644
--- a/arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c
+++ b/arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c
@@ -3308,13 +3308,13 @@ int kvm_apic_accept_events(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
}

/*
- * INITs are blocked while CPU is in specific states (SMM, VMX root
- * mode, SVM with GIF=0), while SIPIs are dropped if the CPU isn't in
- * wait-for-SIPI (WFS).
+ * INIT/SIPI are blocked while CPU is in specific states (SMM, VMX root
+ * mode, SVM with GIF=0).
*/
if (!kvm_apic_init_sipi_allowed(vcpu)) {
WARN_ON_ONCE(vcpu->arch.mp_state == KVM_MP_STATE_INIT_RECEIVED);
- clear_bit(KVM_APIC_SIPI, &apic->pending_events);
+ if (!is_smm(vcpu))
+ clear_bit(KVM_APIC_SIPI, &apic->pending_events);
return 0;
}

--
2.39.3



2024-04-16 20:53:36

by Paolo Bonzini

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM/x86: Do not clear SIPI while in SMM

On 4/16/24 22:47, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
> When a processor is running in SMM and receives INIT message the interrupt
> is left pending until SMM is exited. On the other hand, SIPI, which
> typically follows INIT, is discarded. This presents a problem since sender
> has no way of knowing that its SIPI has been dropped, which results in
> processor failing to come up.
>
> Keeping the SIPI pending avoids this scenario.

This is incorrect - it's yet another ugly legacy facet of x86, but we
have to live with it. SIPI is discarded because the code is supposed to
retry it if needed ("INIT-SIPI-SIPI").

The sender should set a flag as early as possible in the SIPI code so
that it's clear that it was not received; and an extra SIPI is not a
problem, it will be ignored anyway and will not cause trouble if there's
a race.

What is the reproducer for this?

Paolo


2024-04-16 20:58:11

by Boris Ostrovsky

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM/x86: Do not clear SIPI while in SMM


On 4/16/24 4:53 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 4/16/24 22:47, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
>> When a processor is running in SMM and receives INIT message the
>> interrupt
>> is left pending until SMM is exited. On the other hand, SIPI, which
>> typically follows INIT, is discarded. This presents a problem since
>> sender
>> has no way of knowing that its SIPI has been dropped, which results in
>> processor failing to come up.
>>
>> Keeping the SIPI pending avoids this scenario.
>
> This is incorrect - it's yet another ugly legacy facet of x86, but we
> have to live with it.  SIPI is discarded because the code is supposed
> to retry it if needed ("INIT-SIPI-SIPI").


I couldn't find in the SDM/APM a definitive statement about whether SIPI
is supposed to be dropped.


>
> The sender should set a flag as early as possible in the SIPI code so
> that it's clear that it was not received; and an extra SIPI is not a
> problem, it will be ignored anyway and will not cause trouble if
> there's a race.
>
> What is the reproducer for this?
>

Hotplugging/unplugging cpus in a loop, especially if you oversubscribe
the guest, will get you there in 10-15 minutes.

Typically (although I think not always) this is happening when OVMF if
trying to rendezvous and a processor is missing and is sent an extra SMI.


-boris


2024-04-16 22:03:51

by Paolo Bonzini

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM/x86: Do not clear SIPI while in SMM

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 10:57 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/16/24 4:53 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > On 4/16/24 22:47, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
> >> Keeping the SIPI pending avoids this scenario.
> >
> > This is incorrect - it's yet another ugly legacy facet of x86, but we
> > have to live with it. SIPI is discarded because the code is supposed
> > to retry it if needed ("INIT-SIPI-SIPI").
>
> I couldn't find in the SDM/APM a definitive statement about whether SIPI
> is supposed to be dropped.

I think the manual is pretty consistent that SIPIs are never latched,
they're only ever used in wait-for-SIPI state.

> > The sender should set a flag as early as possible in the SIPI code so
> > that it's clear that it was not received; and an extra SIPI is not a
> > problem, it will be ignored anyway and will not cause trouble if
> > there's a race.
> >
> > What is the reproducer for this?
>
> Hotplugging/unplugging cpus in a loop, especially if you oversubscribe
> the guest, will get you there in 10-15 minutes.
>
> Typically (although I think not always) this is happening when OVMF if
> trying to rendezvous and a processor is missing and is sent an extra SMI.

Can you go into more detail? I wasn't even aware that OVMF's SMM
supported hotplug - on real hardware I think there's extra work from
the BMC to coordinate all SMIs across both existing and hotplugged
packages(*)

What should happen is that SMIs are blocked on the new CPUs, so that
only existing CPUs answer. These restore the 0x30000 segment to
prepare for the SMI on the new CPUs, and send an INIT-SIPI to start
the SMI on the new CPUs. Does OVMF do anything like that?

Paolo


2024-04-16 22:22:25

by Sean Christopherson

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM/x86: Do not clear SIPI while in SMM

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 10:57 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 4/16/24 4:53 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > > On 4/16/24 22:47, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
> > >> Keeping the SIPI pending avoids this scenario.
> > >
> > > This is incorrect - it's yet another ugly legacy facet of x86, but we
> > > have to live with it. SIPI is discarded because the code is supposed
> > > to retry it if needed ("INIT-SIPI-SIPI").
> >
> > I couldn't find in the SDM/APM a definitive statement about whether SIPI
> > is supposed to be dropped.
>
> I think the manual is pretty consistent that SIPIs are never latched,
> they're only ever used in wait-for-SIPI state.

Ya, the "Interrupt Command Register (ICR)" section for "110 (Start-Up)" explicitly
says it's software's responsibility to detect whether or not the SIPI was delivered,
and to resend SIPI(s) if needed.

IPIs sent with this delivery mode are not automatically retried if the source
APIC is unable to deliver it. It is up to the software to determine if the
SIPI was not successfully delivered and to reissue the SIPI if necessary.

2024-04-16 22:57:12

by Boris Ostrovsky

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM/x86: Do not clear SIPI while in SMM

(Sorry, need to resend)

On 4/16/24 6:03 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 10:57 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 4/16/24 4:53 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>> On 4/16/24 22:47, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
>>>> Keeping the SIPI pending avoids this scenario.
>>>
>>> This is incorrect - it's yet another ugly legacy facet of x86, but we
>>> have to live with it. SIPI is discarded because the code is supposed
>>> to retry it if needed ("INIT-SIPI-SIPI").
>>
>> I couldn't find in the SDM/APM a definitive statement about whether SIPI
>> is supposed to be dropped.
>
> I think the manual is pretty consistent that SIPIs are never latched,
> they're only ever used in wait-for-SIPI state.
>
>>> The sender should set a flag as early as possible in the SIPI code so
>>> that it's clear that it was not received; and an extra SIPI is not a
>>> problem, it will be ignored anyway and will not cause trouble if
>>> there's a race.
>>>
>>> What is the reproducer for this?
>>
>> Hotplugging/unplugging cpus in a loop, especially if you oversubscribe
>> the guest, will get you there in 10-15 minutes.
>>
>> Typically (although I think not always) this is happening when OVMF if
>> trying to rendezvous and a processor is missing and is sent an extra SMI.
>
> Can you go into more detail? I wasn't even aware that OVMF's SMM
> supported hotplug - on real hardware I think there's extra work from
> the BMC to coordinate all SMIs across both existing and hotplugged
> packages(*)


It's been supported by OVMF for a couple of years (in fact, IIRC you
were part of at least initial conversations about this, at least for the
unplug part).

During hotplug QEMU gathers all cpus in OVMF from (I think)
ich9_apm_ctrl_changed() and they are all waited for in
SmmCpuRendezvous()->SmmWaitForApArrival(). Occasionally it may so happen
that the SMI from QEMU is not delivered to a processor that was *just*
successfully hotplugged and so it is pinged again
(https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/fcfdbe29874320e9f876baa7afebc3fca8f4a7df/UefiCpuPkg/PiSmmCpuDxeSmm/MpService.c#L304).


At the same time this processor is now being brought up by kernel and is
being sent INIT-SIPI-SIPI. If these (or at least the SIPIs) arrive after
the SMI reaches the processor then that processor is not going to have a
good day.


>
> What should happen is that SMIs are blocked on the new CPUs, so that
> only existing CPUs answer. These restore the 0x30000 segment to
> prepare for the SMI on the new CPUs, and send an INIT-SIPI to start
> the SMI on the new CPUs. Does OVMF do anything like that?
You mean this:
https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/fcfdbe29874320e9f876baa7afebc3fca8f4a7df/OvmfPkg/CpuHotplugSmm/Smbase.c#L272
?


-boris

2024-04-16 23:04:53

by Boris Ostrovsky

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM/x86: Do not clear SIPI while in SMM



On 4/16/24 6:14 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 10:57 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 4/16/24 4:53 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/24 22:47, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
>>>>> Keeping the SIPI pending avoids this scenario.
>>>>
>>>> This is incorrect - it's yet another ugly legacy facet of x86, but we
>>>> have to live with it. SIPI is discarded because the code is supposed
>>>> to retry it if needed ("INIT-SIPI-SIPI").
>>>
>>> I couldn't find in the SDM/APM a definitive statement about whether SIPI
>>> is supposed to be dropped.
>>
>> I think the manual is pretty consistent that SIPIs are never latched,
>> they're only ever used in wait-for-SIPI state.
>
> Ya, the "Interrupt Command Register (ICR)" section for "110 (Start-Up)" explicitly
> says it's software's responsibility to detect whether or not the SIPI was delivered,
> and to resend SIPI(s) if needed.
>
> IPIs sent with this delivery mode are not automatically retried if the source
> APIC is unable to deliver it. It is up to the software to determine if the
> SIPI was not successfully delivered and to reissue the SIPI if necessary.


Right, I saw that. I was hoping to see something about SIPI being
dropped. IOW my question was what happens to a SIPI that was delivered
to a processor in SMM and not what should I do if it wasn't.

-boris

2024-04-16 23:17:25

by Sean Christopherson

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM/x86: Do not clear SIPI while in SMM

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024, [email protected] wrote:
> (Sorry, need to resend)
>
> On 4/16/24 6:03 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 10:57 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 4/16/24 4:53 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > > > On 4/16/24 22:47, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
> > > > > Keeping the SIPI pending avoids this scenario.
> > > >
> > > > This is incorrect - it's yet another ugly legacy facet of x86, but we
> > > > have to live with it. SIPI is discarded because the code is supposed
> > > > to retry it if needed ("INIT-SIPI-SIPI").
> > >
> > > I couldn't find in the SDM/APM a definitive statement about whether SIPI
> > > is supposed to be dropped.
> >
> > I think the manual is pretty consistent that SIPIs are never latched,
> > they're only ever used in wait-for-SIPI state.
> >
> > > > The sender should set a flag as early as possible in the SIPI code so
> > > > that it's clear that it was not received; and an extra SIPI is not a
> > > > problem, it will be ignored anyway and will not cause trouble if
> > > > there's a race.
> > > >
> > > > What is the reproducer for this?
> > >
> > > Hotplugging/unplugging cpus in a loop, especially if you oversubscribe
> > > the guest, will get you there in 10-15 minutes.
> > >
> > > Typically (although I think not always) this is happening when OVMF if
> > > trying to rendezvous and a processor is missing and is sent an extra SMI.
> >
> > Can you go into more detail? I wasn't even aware that OVMF's SMM
> > supported hotplug - on real hardware I think there's extra work from
> > the BMC to coordinate all SMIs across both existing and hotplugged
> > packages(*)
>
>
> It's been supported by OVMF for a couple of years (in fact, IIRC you were
> part of at least initial conversations about this, at least for the unplug
> part).
>
> During hotplug QEMU gathers all cpus in OVMF from (I think)
> ich9_apm_ctrl_changed() and they are all waited for in
> SmmCpuRendezvous()->SmmWaitForApArrival(). Occasionally it may so happen
> that the SMI from QEMU is not delivered to a processor that was *just*
> successfully hotplugged and so it is pinged again (https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/fcfdbe29874320e9f876baa7afebc3fca8f4a7df/UefiCpuPkg/PiSmmCpuDxeSmm/MpService.c#L304).
>
>
> At the same time this processor is now being brought up by kernel and is
> being sent INIT-SIPI-SIPI. If these (or at least the SIPIs) arrive after the
> SMI reaches the processor then that processor is not going to have a good
> day.

It's specifically SIPI that's problematic. INIT is blocked by SMM, but latched,
and SMIs are blocked by WFS, but latched. And AFAICT, KVM emulates all of those
combinations correctly.

Why is the SMI from QEMU not delivered? That seems like the smoking gun.

2024-04-16 23:37:35

by Boris Ostrovsky

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM/x86: Do not clear SIPI while in SMM



On 4/16/24 7:17 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024, [email protected] wrote:
>> (Sorry, need to resend)
>>
>> On 4/16/24 6:03 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 10:57 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/24 4:53 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>>>> On 4/16/24 22:47, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
>>>>>> Keeping the SIPI pending avoids this scenario.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is incorrect - it's yet another ugly legacy facet of x86, but we
>>>>> have to live with it. SIPI is discarded because the code is supposed
>>>>> to retry it if needed ("INIT-SIPI-SIPI").
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't find in the SDM/APM a definitive statement about whether SIPI
>>>> is supposed to be dropped.
>>>
>>> I think the manual is pretty consistent that SIPIs are never latched,
>>> they're only ever used in wait-for-SIPI state.
>>>
>>>>> The sender should set a flag as early as possible in the SIPI code so
>>>>> that it's clear that it was not received; and an extra SIPI is not a
>>>>> problem, it will be ignored anyway and will not cause trouble if
>>>>> there's a race.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the reproducer for this?
>>>>
>>>> Hotplugging/unplugging cpus in a loop, especially if you oversubscribe
>>>> the guest, will get you there in 10-15 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> Typically (although I think not always) this is happening when OVMF if
>>>> trying to rendezvous and a processor is missing and is sent an extra SMI.
>>>
>>> Can you go into more detail? I wasn't even aware that OVMF's SMM
>>> supported hotplug - on real hardware I think there's extra work from
>>> the BMC to coordinate all SMIs across both existing and hotplugged
>>> packages(*)
>>
>>
>> It's been supported by OVMF for a couple of years (in fact, IIRC you were
>> part of at least initial conversations about this, at least for the unplug
>> part).
>>
>> During hotplug QEMU gathers all cpus in OVMF from (I think)
>> ich9_apm_ctrl_changed() and they are all waited for in
>> SmmCpuRendezvous()->SmmWaitForApArrival(). Occasionally it may so happen
>> that the SMI from QEMU is not delivered to a processor that was *just*
>> successfully hotplugged and so it is pinged again (https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/fcfdbe29874320e9f876baa7afebc3fca8f4a7df/UefiCpuPkg/PiSmmCpuDxeSmm/MpService.c#L304).
>>
>>
>> At the same time this processor is now being brought up by kernel and is
>> being sent INIT-SIPI-SIPI. If these (or at least the SIPIs) arrive after the
>> SMI reaches the processor then that processor is not going to have a good
>> day.
>
> It's specifically SIPI that's problematic. INIT is blocked by SMM, but latched,
> and SMIs are blocked by WFS, but latched. And AFAICT, KVM emulates all of those
> combinations correctly.
>
> Why is the SMI from QEMU not delivered? That seems like the smoking gun.

I haven't actually traced this but it seems that what happens is that
the newly-added processor is about to leave SMM and the count of in-SMM
processors is decremented. At the same time, since the processor is
still in SMM the QEMU's SMM is not taken.

And so when the count is looked at again in SmmWaitForApArrival() one
processor is missing.


-boris

2024-04-17 12:41:01

by Igor Mammedov

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM/x86: Do not clear SIPI while in SMM

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 19:37:09 -0400
[email protected] wrote:

> On 4/16/24 7:17 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2024, [email protected] wrote:
> >> (Sorry, need to resend)
> >>
> >> On 4/16/24 6:03 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 10:57 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> On 4/16/24 4:53 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >>>>> On 4/16/24 22:47, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
> >>>>>> Keeping the SIPI pending avoids this scenario.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is incorrect - it's yet another ugly legacy facet of x86, but we
> >>>>> have to live with it. SIPI is discarded because the code is supposed
> >>>>> to retry it if needed ("INIT-SIPI-SIPI").
> >>>>
> >>>> I couldn't find in the SDM/APM a definitive statement about whether SIPI
> >>>> is supposed to be dropped.
> >>>
> >>> I think the manual is pretty consistent that SIPIs are never latched,
> >>> they're only ever used in wait-for-SIPI state.
> >>>
> >>>>> The sender should set a flag as early as possible in the SIPI code so
> >>>>> that it's clear that it was not received; and an extra SIPI is not a
> >>>>> problem, it will be ignored anyway and will not cause trouble if
> >>>>> there's a race.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is the reproducer for this?
> >>>>
> >>>> Hotplugging/unplugging cpus in a loop, especially if you oversubscribe
> >>>> the guest, will get you there in 10-15 minutes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Typically (although I think not always) this is happening when OVMF if
> >>>> trying to rendezvous and a processor is missing and is sent an extra SMI.
> >>>
> >>> Can you go into more detail? I wasn't even aware that OVMF's SMM
> >>> supported hotplug - on real hardware I think there's extra work from
> >>> the BMC to coordinate all SMIs across both existing and hotplugged
> >>> packages(*)
> >>
> >>
> >> It's been supported by OVMF for a couple of years (in fact, IIRC you were
> >> part of at least initial conversations about this, at least for the unplug
> >> part).
> >>
> >> During hotplug QEMU gathers all cpus in OVMF from (I think)
> >> ich9_apm_ctrl_changed() and they are all waited for in
> >> SmmCpuRendezvous()->SmmWaitForApArrival(). Occasionally it may so happen
> >> that the SMI from QEMU is not delivered to a processor that was *just*
> >> successfully hotplugged and so it is pinged again (https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/fcfdbe29874320e9f876baa7afebc3fca8f4a7df/UefiCpuPkg/PiSmmCpuDxeSmm/MpService.c#L304).
> >>
> >>
> >> At the same time this processor is now being brought up by kernel and is
> >> being sent INIT-SIPI-SIPI. If these (or at least the SIPIs) arrive after the
> >> SMI reaches the processor then that processor is not going to have a good
> >> day.

Do you use qemu/firmware combo that negotiated ICH9_LPC_SMI_F_CPU_HOTPLUG_BIT/
ICH9_LPC_SMI_F_CPU_HOT_UNPLUG_BIT features?

> >
> > It's specifically SIPI that's problematic. INIT is blocked by SMM, but latched,
> > and SMIs are blocked by WFS, but latched. And AFAICT, KVM emulates all of those
> > combinations correctly.
> >
> > Why is the SMI from QEMU not delivered? That seems like the smoking gun.
>
> I haven't actually traced this but it seems that what happens is that cv
> the newly-added processor is about to leave SMM and the count of in-SMM
> processors is decremented. At the same time, since the processor is
> still in SMM the QEMU's SMM is not taken.
>
> And so when the count is looked at again in SmmWaitForApArrival() one
> processor is missing.

Current QEMU CPU hotplug workflow with SMM enabled, should be following:

1. OSPM gets list(N) of hotplugged cpus
2. OSPM hands over control to firmware (SMM callback leading to SMI broadcast)
3. Firmware at this point shall initialize all new CPUs (incl. relocating SMBASE for new ones)
it shall pull in all CPUs that are present at the moment
4. Firmware returns control to OSPM
5. OSPM sends Notify to the list(N) CPUs triggering INIT-SIPI-SIPI _only_ on
those CPUs that it collected in step 1

above steps will repeat until all hotplugged CPUs are handled.

In nutshell INIT-SIPI-SIPI shall not be sent to a freshly hotplugged CPU
that OSPM haven't seen (1) yet _and_ firmware should have initialized (3).

CPUs enumerated at (3) at least shall include CPUs present at (1)
and may include newer CPU arrived in between (1-3).

CPUs collected at (1) shall all get SMM, if it doesn't happen
then hotplug workflow won't work as expected.
In which case we need to figure out why SMM is not delivered
or why firmware isn't waiting for hotplugged CPU.

>
> -boris
>


2024-04-17 13:59:20

by Boris Ostrovsky

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM/x86: Do not clear SIPI while in SMM



On 4/17/24 8:40 AM, Igor Mammedov wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 19:37:09 -0400
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On 4/16/24 7:17 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> (Sorry, need to resend)
>>>>
>>>> On 4/16/24 6:03 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 10:57 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/16/24 4:53 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/16/24 22:47, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> Keeping the SIPI pending avoids this scenario.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is incorrect - it's yet another ugly legacy facet of x86, but we
>>>>>>> have to live with it. SIPI is discarded because the code is supposed
>>>>>>> to retry it if needed ("INIT-SIPI-SIPI").
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I couldn't find in the SDM/APM a definitive statement about whether SIPI
>>>>>> is supposed to be dropped.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the manual is pretty consistent that SIPIs are never latched,
>>>>> they're only ever used in wait-for-SIPI state.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The sender should set a flag as early as possible in the SIPI code so
>>>>>>> that it's clear that it was not received; and an extra SIPI is not a
>>>>>>> problem, it will be ignored anyway and will not cause trouble if
>>>>>>> there's a race.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the reproducer for this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hotplugging/unplugging cpus in a loop, especially if you oversubscribe
>>>>>> the guest, will get you there in 10-15 minutes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Typically (although I think not always) this is happening when OVMF if
>>>>>> trying to rendezvous and a processor is missing and is sent an extra SMI.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you go into more detail? I wasn't even aware that OVMF's SMM
>>>>> supported hotplug - on real hardware I think there's extra work from
>>>>> the BMC to coordinate all SMIs across both existing and hotplugged
>>>>> packages(*)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's been supported by OVMF for a couple of years (in fact, IIRC you were
>>>> part of at least initial conversations about this, at least for the unplug
>>>> part).
>>>>
>>>> During hotplug QEMU gathers all cpus in OVMF from (I think)
>>>> ich9_apm_ctrl_changed() and they are all waited for in
>>>> SmmCpuRendezvous()->SmmWaitForApArrival(). Occasionally it may so happen
>>>> that the SMI from QEMU is not delivered to a processor that was *just*
>>>> successfully hotplugged and so it is pinged again (https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/fcfdbe29874320e9f876baa7afebc3fca8f4a7df/UefiCpuPkg/PiSmmCpuDxeSmm/MpService.c#L304).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At the same time this processor is now being brought up by kernel and is
>>>> being sent INIT-SIPI-SIPI. If these (or at least the SIPIs) arrive after the
>>>> SMI reaches the processor then that processor is not going to have a good
>>>> day.
>
> Do you use qemu/firmware combo that negotiated ICH9_LPC_SMI_F_CPU_HOTPLUG_BIT/
> ICH9_LPC_SMI_F_CPU_HOT_UNPLUG_BIT features?

Yes.

>
>>>
>>> It's specifically SIPI that's problematic. INIT is blocked by SMM, but latched,
>>> and SMIs are blocked by WFS, but latched. And AFAICT, KVM emulates all of those
>>> combinations correctly.
>>>
>>> Why is the SMI from QEMU not delivered? That seems like the smoking gun.
>>
>> I haven't actually traced this but it seems that what happens is that cv
>> the newly-added processor is about to leave SMM and the count of in-SMM
>> processors is decremented. At the same time, since the processor is
>> still in SMM the QEMU's SMM is not taken.
>>
>> And so when the count is looked at again in SmmWaitForApArrival() one
>> processor is missing.
>
> Current QEMU CPU hotplug workflow with SMM enabled, should be following:
>
> 1. OSPM gets list(N) of hotplugged cpus
> 2. OSPM hands over control to firmware (SMM callback leading to SMI broadcast)
> 3. Firmware at this point shall initialize all new CPUs (incl. relocating SMBASE for new ones)
> it shall pull in all CPUs that are present at the moment
> 4. Firmware returns control to OSPM
> 5. OSPM sends Notify to the list(N) CPUs triggering INIT-SIPI-SIPI _only_ on
> those CPUs that it collected in step 1
>
> above steps will repeat until all hotplugged CPUs are handled.
>
> In nutshell INIT-SIPI-SIPI shall not be sent to a freshly hotplugged CPU
> that OSPM haven't seen (1) yet _and_ firmware should have initialized (3).
>
> CPUs enumerated at (3) at least shall include CPUs present at (1)
> and may include newer CPU arrived in between (1-3).
>
> CPUs collected at (1) shall all get SMM, if it doesn't happen
> then hotplug workflow won't work as expected.
> In which case we need to figure out why SMM is not delivered
> or why firmware isn't waiting for hotplugged CPU.

I noticed that I was using a few months old qemu bits and now I am
having trouble reproducing this on latest bits. Let me see if I can get
this to fail with latest first and then try to trace why the processor
is in this unexpected state.

-boris

2024-04-19 16:18:45

by Boris Ostrovsky

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Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM/x86: Do not clear SIPI while in SMM



On 4/17/24 9:58 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> I noticed that I was using a few months old qemu bits and now I am
> having trouble reproducing this on latest bits. Let me see if I can get
> this to fail with latest first and then try to trace why the processor
> is in this unexpected state.

Looks like 012b170173bc "system/qdev-monitor: move drain_call_rcu call
under if (!dev) in qmp_device_add()" is what makes the test to stop failing.

I need to understand whether lack of failures is a side effect of timing
changes that simply make hotplug fail less likely or if this is an
actual (but seemingly unintentional) fix.

-boris