Hi Tim,
Hi all,
I just realized that the ELCE 2015 videos [1] have disappeared from Youtube. The
way-back-machine tells me that they were published on the "Linux Foundation
Events" channel [2] which got deleted.
I searched "The Linux Foundation" youtube channel as well as google but wasn't
able to find the video of Kishon (I didn't do a extensive search of the other
videos, but the link from the wiki is broken for the around 10 links I tested).
Do we have a copy of this videos which we could share/upload somewhere to get
access to this valuable information?
Regards,
Matthias
[1] https://elinux.org/ELC_Europe_2015_Presentations
[2]
https://web.archive.org/web/20180514011241/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uccPR6X8vy8
Matthias,
As I learnt from Angela Brown (LF leadership team), those videos are
accidentally deleted by a former LF employee and no one has the backup
for those videos.
Regards
Kishon
On 10/02/20 3:45 pm, Matthias Brugger wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> Hi all,
>
> I just realized that the ELCE 2015 videos [1] have disappeared from Youtube. The
> way-back-machine tells me that they were published on the "Linux Foundation
> Events" channel [2] which got deleted.
>
> I searched "The Linux Foundation" youtube channel as well as google but wasn't
> able to find the video of Kishon (I didn't do a extensive search of the other
> videos, but the link from the wiki is broken for the around 10 links I tested).
>
> Do we have a copy of this videos which we could share/upload somewhere to get
> access to this valuable information?
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
> [1] https://elinux.org/ELC_Europe_2015_Presentations
> [2]
> https://web.archive.org/web/20180514011241/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uccPR6X8vy8
>
Hi Kishon,
On 13/02/2020 11:44, Kishon Vijay Abraham I wrote:
> Matthias,
>
> As I learnt from Angela Brown (LF leadership team), those videos are
> accidentally deleted by a former LF employee and no one has the backup
> for those videos.
Ah, too bad. Never trust the cloud ;)
If anybody has some of the videos offline, it would be good to try to recover as
much as possible.
I'm especially interested in yours about PCIe, but others have valuable
information for sure :)
Regards,
Matthias
>
> Regards
> Kishon
>
> On 10/02/20 3:45 pm, Matthias Brugger wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just realized that the ELCE 2015 videos [1] have disappeared from Youtube. The
>> way-back-machine tells me that they were published on the "Linux Foundation
>> Events" channel [2] which got deleted.
>>
>> I searched "The Linux Foundation" youtube channel as well as google but wasn't
>> able to find the video of Kishon (I didn't do a extensive search of the other
>> videos, but the link from the wiki is broken for the around 10 links I tested).
>>
>> Do we have a copy of this videos which we could share/upload somewhere to get
>> access to this valuable information?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>>
>> [1] https://elinux.org/ELC_Europe_2015_Presentations
>> [2]
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20180514011241/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uccPR6X8vy8
>>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthias Brugger <[email protected]>
>
> Hi Kishon,
>
> On 13/02/2020 11:44, Kishon Vijay Abraham I wrote:
> > Matthias,
> >
> > As I learnt from Angela Brown (LF leadership team), those videos are
> > accidentally deleted by a former LF employee and no one has the backup
> > for those videos.
Thanks for answering, Kishon. Sorry to not get back to you sooner, Matthias.
I can confirm what Angela said. The videos are unfortunately not available.
>
> Ah, too bad. Never trust the cloud ;)
>
> If anybody has some of the videos offline, it would be good to try to recover as
> much as possible.
The LF tried to go back to the original videographer, and see if they had backups,
but they did not. The videos that were made by Bootlin (formerly Free Electrons),
(not that particular year), do have backups, and can be accessed on their web site.
>
> I'm especially interested in yours about PCIe, but others have valuable
> information for sure :)
Unfortunately, unless someone scraped the video from YouTube, the video
is likely lost forever. :-(
I'd like to start a project to scrape the ELC videos from YouTube (for other years)
that were done by videographers, and for which no known backups exist. This is to
prevent something like this from happening in the future for other videos. If anyone
would like to help with this project, please let me know.
-- Tim
Hi Tim,
On 13/02/20 6:33 pm, Bird, Tim wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Matthias Brugger <[email protected]>
>>
>> Hi Kishon,
>>
>> On 13/02/2020 11:44, Kishon Vijay Abraham I wrote:
>>> Matthias,
>>>
>>> As I learnt from Angela Brown (LF leadership team), those videos are
>>> accidentally deleted by a former LF employee and no one has the backup
>>> for those videos.
>
> Thanks for answering, Kishon. Sorry to not get back to you sooner, Matthias.
> I can confirm what Angela said. The videos are unfortunately not available.
>
>>
>> Ah, too bad. Never trust the cloud ;)
>>
>> If anybody has some of the videos offline, it would be good to try to recover as
>> much as possible.
>
> The LF tried to go back to the original videographer, and see if they had backups,
> but they did not. The videos that were made by Bootlin (formerly Free Electrons),
> (not that particular year), do have backups, and can be accessed on their web site.
>
>>
>> I'm especially interested in yours about PCIe, but others have valuable
>> information for sure :)
>
> Unfortunately, unless someone scraped the video from YouTube, the video
> is likely lost forever. :-(
>
> I'd like to start a project to scrape the ELC videos from YouTube (for other years)
> that were done by videographers, and for which no known backups exist. This is to
> prevent something like this from happening in the future for other videos. If anyone
> would like to help with this project, please let me know.
Do we have permission from Youtube to download the videos? A quick look
at their terms [1] indicate we are not allowed to download the content
"The following restrictions apply to your use of the Service. You are
not allowed to:
access, reproduce, download, distribute, transmit, broadcast, display,
sell, license, alter, modify or otherwise use any part of the Service or
any Content except: (a) as expressly authorized by the Service; or (b)
with prior written permission from YouTube and, if applicable, the
respective rights holders; "
[1] -> https://www.youtube.com/t/terms
Thanks
Kishon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kishon Vijay Abraham I <[email protected]>
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> On 13/02/20 6:33 pm, Bird, Tim wrote:
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Matthias Brugger <[email protected]>
> >>
> >> Hi Kishon,
> >>
> >> On 13/02/2020 11:44, Kishon Vijay Abraham I wrote:
> >>> Matthias,
> >>>
> >>> As I learnt from Angela Brown (LF leadership team), those videos are
> >>> accidentally deleted by a former LF employee and no one has the backup
> >>> for those videos.
> >
> > Thanks for answering, Kishon. Sorry to not get back to you sooner, Matthias.
> > I can confirm what Angela said. The videos are unfortunately not available.
> >
> >>
> >> Ah, too bad. Never trust the cloud ;)
> >>
> >> If anybody has some of the videos offline, it would be good to try to recover as
> >> much as possible.
> >
> > The LF tried to go back to the original videographer, and see if they had backups,
> > but they did not. The videos that were made by Bootlin (formerly Free Electrons),
> > (not that particular year), do have backups, and can be accessed on their web site.
> >
> >>
> >> I'm especially interested in yours about PCIe, but others have valuable
> >> information for sure :)
> >
> > Unfortunately, unless someone scraped the video from YouTube, the video
> > is likely lost forever. :-(
> >
> > I'd like to start a project to scrape the ELC videos from YouTube (for other years)
> > that were done by videographers, and for which no known backups exist. This is to
> > prevent something like this from happening in the future for other videos. If anyone
> > would like to help with this project, please let me know.
>
> Do we have permission from Youtube to download the videos? A quick look
> at their terms [1] indicate we are not allowed to download the content
> "The following restrictions apply to your use of the Service. You are
> not allowed to:
>
> access, reproduce, download, distribute, transmit, broadcast, display,
> sell, license, alter, modify or otherwise use any part of the Service or
> any Content except: (a) as expressly authorized by the Service; or (b)
> with prior written permission from YouTube and, if applicable, the
> respective rights holders; "
>
> [1] -> https://www.youtube.com/t/terms
I'd be downloading the videos as a representative of the Linux Foundation, which is
the entity that holds the copyright on the videos. It might be easier for me to
get access to the LF's YouTube account. Maybe there's a "Download my videos"
option which would make the scraping unnecessary (I don't post stuff to YouTube
so I don't know what features their author accounts provide.) But if it does end up being
necessary, YouTube can hardly complain about the copyright holder downloading
and copying their own video.
In any event I'll check with the powers that be a the Linux Foundation, and make sure
I at least have their permission.
-- Tim
On 2020-02-18 17:50, Bird, Tim wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kishon Vijay Abraham I <[email protected]>
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> On 13/02/20 6:33 pm, Bird, Tim wrote:
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Matthias Brugger <[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Kishon,
>>>>
>>>> On 13/02/2020 11:44, Kishon Vijay Abraham I wrote:
>>>>> Matthias,
>>>>>
>>>>> As I learnt from Angela Brown (LF leadership team), those videos are
>>>>> accidentally deleted by a former LF employee and no one has the backup
>>>>> for those videos.
>>>
>>> Thanks for answering, Kishon. Sorry to not get back to you sooner, Matthias.
>>> I can confirm what Angela said. The videos are unfortunately not available.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah, too bad. Never trust the cloud ;)
>>>>
>>>> If anybody has some of the videos offline, it would be good to try to recover as
>>>> much as possible.
>>>
>>> The LF tried to go back to the original videographer, and see if they had backups,
>>> but they did not. The videos that were made by Bootlin (formerly Free Electrons),
>>> (not that particular year), do have backups, and can be accessed on their web site.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm especially interested in yours about PCIe, but others have valuable
>>>> information for sure :)
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, unless someone scraped the video from YouTube, the video
>>> is likely lost forever. :-(
>>>
>>> I'd like to start a project to scrape the ELC videos from YouTube (for other years)
>>> that were done by videographers, and for which no known backups exist. This is to
>>> prevent something like this from happening in the future for other videos. If anyone
>>> would like to help with this project, please let me know.
>>
>> Do we have permission from Youtube to download the videos? A quick look
>> at their terms [1] indicate we are not allowed to download the content
>> "The following restrictions apply to your use of the Service. You are
>> not allowed to:
>>
>> access, reproduce, download, distribute, transmit, broadcast, display,
>> sell, license, alter, modify or otherwise use any part of the Service or
>> any Content except: (a) as expressly authorized by the Service; or (b)
>> with prior written permission from YouTube and, if applicable, the
>> respective rights holders; "
>>
>> [1] -> https://www.youtube.com/t/terms
>
> I'd be downloading the videos as a representative of the Linux Foundation, which is
> the entity that holds the copyright on the videos. It might be easier for me to
> get access to the LF's YouTube account. Maybe there's a "Download my videos"
> option which would make the scraping unnecessary (I don't post stuff to YouTube
> so I don't know what features their author accounts provide.) But if it does end up being
> necessary, YouTube can hardly complain about the copyright holder downloading
> and copying their own video.
Hi,
Not sure about the "Download my videos" option, but there is:
https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/
which I have used and can recommend.
> In any event I'll check with the powers that be a the Linux Foundation, and make sure
> I at least have their permission.
> -- Tim
>
On 2/13/20 7:03 AM, Bird, Tim wrote:
>> I'm especially interested in yours about PCIe, but others have valuable
>> information for sure :)
>
> Unfortunately, unless someone scraped the video from YouTube, the video
> is likely lost forever. :-(
Back in September I put out a call and a nice person (dandan) sent me
https://landley.net/talks/jcore-2015.mp4 from their own backup.
Copies of at least some of them are out there..
Rob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Landley <[email protected]>
>
> On 2/13/20 7:03 AM, Bird, Tim wrote:
> >> I'm especially interested in yours about PCIe, but others have valuable
> >> information for sure :)
> >
> > Unfortunately, unless someone scraped the video from YouTube, the video
> > is likely lost forever. :-(
>
> Back in September I put out a call and a nice person (dandan) sent me
> https://landley.net/talks/jcore-2015.mp4 from their own backup.
>
> Copies of at least some of them are out there..
What a great idea!!
I should put out a call for any other scraped videos that we are missing.
Consider this message such a call!!
Anyone who has a video from ELC 2015, please contact me privately at [email protected]
That one you have is actually from ELC 2016, and we were able to recover most of them.
They are back on YouTube, and the links on the elinux presentations page have been updated.
See https://elinux.org/ELC_2016_Presentations.
(So Hurray! for one video set restored.)
But you should probably keep you copy anyway. :-) I made a copy of that one (or
at least it's in progress; Rob, your internet connection is slow. :-)
-- Tim
I hear that youtube-dl is a great program. It will also help you download
content from other sites such as slideshare and vimeo etc:
https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/supportedsites.html
I've also heard that sites like youtube aren't fond of tools like youtube-dl,
so they change the metadata associated with their content on a regular basis
to thwart such tools. As a result, the youtube-dl installed with your distro
packaging is likely out of date, you'd be better off to install it using one
of the python packaging/installing tools directly (and keep it up-to-date
that way). As a result, I hear there are sometimes small gaps between youtube
changing their metadata, and youtube-dl catching up.
Also, youtube does detect downloads via youtube-dl, and will cut you off (or
more specifically, will cut off your IP) if you use it (in their opinion) too
much (search for: "youtube-dl unauthorized 403"). So you'd be wise to throttle
your usage of such a tool.
...or so i've heard...
On Mon 2020-02-17 @ 05:21:14 PM, Kishon Vijay Abraham I wrote:
> Do we have permission from Youtube to download the videos? A quick look
> at their terms [1] indicate we are not allowed to download the content
Yes, this is, unfortunately, true.
Which is why huge kudos are in order for those conferences (linux.conf.au,
fosdem, ccc, (and others?)) which, in addition to posting the videos on
youtube, also host them on their own servers for these and other such reasons.
https://video.fosdem.org/
https://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/
https://media.ccc.de/