Hi!
The current regdb is missing a frequency range for Germany. That
freq-range is military-controlled, so to be on the safe side, I asked
the responsible agency, and they confirmed to me that it's legal to use.
They also sent me the attached pdf (German only) which contains some
details.
Please CC me on replies.
--- a/db.txt 2009-03-25 19:38:22.838975857 +0100
+++ b/db.txt 2009-03-25 19:39:37.722248019 +0100
@@ -165,8 +165,8 @@
country DE:
# entries 279004 and 280006
(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
- # entries 303005 and 304002
- (5150 - 5255 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
+ # entries 303005, 304002 and 305002
+ (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
# entries 308002 and 309001
(5470 - 5650 @ 40), (N/A, 1000 mW), DFS
This updates the 5 GHz rules -- TPC is not supported in any way yet so
the transmit power limit needs to be halved; some additional ranges are
available.
Signed-off-by: Johannes Berg <[email protected]>
---
db.txt | 10 ++++++----
1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index d3a05ea..b9cb935 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -162,13 +162,15 @@ country CZ:
# Data from "Frequenznutzungsplan" (as published in April 2008),
# downloaded from http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/media/archive/13358.pdf
+# Also applicable is http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/media/archive/5009.pdf
+# On the 5 GHz ranges TX power can be doubled if TPC is implemented.
country DE:
# entries 279004 and 280006
(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
- # entries 303005 and 304002
- (5150 - 5255 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
- # entries 308002 and 309001
- (5470 - 5650 @ 40), (N/A, 1000 mW), DFS
+ # entries 303005, 304002 and 305002
+ (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
+ # entries 308002, 309001 and 310003
+ (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
country DK:
(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Bernhard Seibold
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> The current regdb is missing a frequency range for Germany. That
>> freq-range is military-controlled, so to be on the safe side, I asked
>> the responsible agency, and they confirmed to me that it's legal to use.
>> They also sent me the attached pdf (German only) which contains some
>> details.
>>
>> Please CC me on replies.
>
> FWIW we reviewed this internally and this matches our understanding as well. So:
>
> Acked-by: Luis R. Rodriguez <[email protected]>
Oh John and if this patch is applied and mine are accepted as well
please note that we now need to update the sha1sum.txt file with the
sha1sum of db.txt upon each change. A change will trigger a recompile
upon running make, and generate your key if you don't have one.
Luis
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Bernhard Seibold
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> The current regdb is missing a frequency range for Germany. That
> freq-range is military-controlled, so to be on the safe side, I asked
> the responsible agency, and they confirmed to me that it's legal to use.
> They also sent me the attached pdf (German only) which contains some
> details.
>
> Please CC me on replies.
FWIW we reviewed this internally and this matches our understanding as well. So:
Acked-by: Luis R. Rodriguez <[email protected]>
Luis
Bernhard Seibold wrote:
> The current regdb is missing a frequency range for Germany. That
> freq-range is military-controlled, so to be on the safe side, I asked
> the responsible agency, and they confirmed to me that it's legal to use.
> They also sent me the attached pdf (German only) which contains some
> details.
Odd, that document is from 2006, you'd think they would integrate it into
the 2008 release of the entire freq plan...
Can we find a URL for this one?
johannes
> Please CC me on replies.
>
>
> --- a/db.txt 2009-03-25 19:38:22.838975857 +0100
> +++ b/db.txt 2009-03-25 19:39:37.722248019 +0100
> @@ -165,8 +165,8 @@
> country DE:
> # entries 279004 and 280006
> (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
> - # entries 303005 and 304002
> - (5150 - 5255 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> + # entries 303005, 304002 and 305002
> + (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> # entries 308002 and 309001
> (5470 - 5650 @ 40), (N/A, 1000 mW), DFS
>
>
>
Bernhard Seibold schrieb:
> --- a/db.txt 2009-03-25 19:38:22.838975857 +0100
> +++ b/db.txt 2009-03-25 19:39:37.722248019 +0100
> @@ -165,8 +165,8 @@
> country DE:
> # entries 279004 and 280006
> (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
> - # entries 303005 and 304002
> - (5150 - 5255 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> + # entries 303005, 304002 and 305002
> + (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> # entries 308002 and 309001
> (5470 - 5650 @ 40), (N/A, 1000 mW), DFS
>
>
What about 5650-5725? Shouldn't that be added as well? At least my
university runs an AP at 5.7GHz.
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 08:15 +0100, Johannes Berg wrote:
> Can we find a URL for this one?
http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/media/archive/5009.pdf
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 08:15 +0100, Johannes Berg wrote:
> > Please CC me on replies.
> >
> >
> > --- a/db.txt 2009-03-25 19:38:22.838975857 +0100
> > +++ b/db.txt 2009-03-25 19:39:37.722248019 +0100
> > @@ -165,8 +165,8 @@
> > country DE:
> > # entries 279004 and 280006
> > (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
> > - # entries 303005 and 304002
> > - (5150 - 5255 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> > + # entries 303005, 304002 and 305002
> > + (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> > # entries 308002 and 309001
> > (5470 - 5650 @ 40), (N/A, 1000 mW), DFS
Also, the 5250-5350 range requires TPC, but we haven't covered that
requirement yet I think we need to use the lower EIRP limit of 100 mW. I
guess we should also update 5470-5650 to 5470-5725 and take into account
the TCP limitation (500 mW max power then instead of 1W) which I seem to
have gotten wrong too.
johannes
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:03:16PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In Europe ETSI standardized the used for short range devices (SRD) [1] in ETSI
> EN 300 440-1 [2].
> According to this standard generic use equipment is allowed to transmit in the
> frequency range form 5725 MHz to 5875 MHz with a maximum output power of
> 25 mW e.i.r.p. This generic allocation also allows transmission of 802.11
> devices.
>
> [3] has a list of countries and their status about the implementation of the
> SRD frequency bands. For the 5 GHz band this can be seen on page 38 in the
> paragraph ANNEX 1 and the entry Annex j.
>
> Attached is a patch that adds the 5 GHz SRD band to db.txt for Germany.
>
> If it is acceptable I can provide a patch adding the 5 GHz SRD band for the
> other countries listed in [3].
The changes seem okay as far as I can tell. You do need to include your
signed-off-by tag on the patch however, see
https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/sforshee/wireless-regdb.git/tree/CONTRIBUTING.
Thanks,
Seth
On 21 Apr 2016, Seth Forshee wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 08:08:46PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
>
>> The comments to my initial mail indicated that the statement in the ERC
>> recommendation I linked are alone not enough to add this frequency ranges for
>> other countries. Unfortunately I don't have the possibility to do these checks
>> for countries other than Germany.
>
>Yep, I understand and am in agreement. I know how challenging it can be
>to try to track down this information.
I could do the same for NL.
At the moment entries for NL are listed as center frequencies
(almost, 5490 - 5710 @ 160 should be 5550 - 5645 @ 160), while for DE
the whole band is listed (5470 - 5725 @ 160).
Power budget is listed in db while the law specifies mW.
What is the prefered format, and would a rewrite for NL listing the band
and power in mW be acceptable ?
Thanks,
- marcel
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 08:08:46PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> On Thursday 21 April 2016 08:19:38 Seth Forshee wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:03:16PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > In Europe ETSI standardized the used for short range devices (SRD) [1] in
> > > ETSI EN 300 440-1 [2].
> > > According to this standard generic use equipment is allowed to transmit in
> > > the frequency range form 5725 MHz to 5875 MHz with a maximum output power
> > > of 25 mW e.i.r.p. This generic allocation also allows transmission of
> > > 802.11 devices.
> > >
> > > [3] has a list of countries and their status about the implementation of
> > > the SRD frequency bands. For the 5 GHz band this can be seen on page 38
> > > in the paragraph ANNEX 1 and the entry Annex j.
> > >
> > > Attached is a patch that adds the 5 GHz SRD band to db.txt for Germany.
> > >
> > > If it is acceptable I can provide a patch adding the 5 GHz SRD band for
> > > the
> > > other countries listed in [3].
> >
> > The changes seem okay as far as I can tell. You do need to include your
> > signed-off-by tag on the patch however, see
> > https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/sforshee/wireless-regdb.git/tre
> > e/CONTRIBUTING.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Seth
>
> Hi Seth,
>
> Thanks for your reply. You can find my signed-off-by tag below together with
> the unchanged patch.
Thanks, that will work. I'll leave it for a few days and see if anyone
else has comments.
> I can affirm I did check this carefully with the official documents of the
> German administration for radio equipment (Bundesnetzagentur für Elektrizität,
> Gas, Telekommunikation, Post und Eisenbahnen).
>
> I noticed that the links to the other entries for Germany are broken, as the
> website design was changed and thus all old link became non functional. I can
> provide a patch fixing this if it is something that's considered useful.
Yes, that would be useful, so please do.
> The comments to my initial mail indicated that the statement in the ERC
> recommendation I linked are alone not enough to add this frequency ranges for
> other countries. Unfortunately I don't have the possibility to do these checks
> for countries other than Germany.
Yep, I understand and am in agreement. I know how challenging it can be
to try to track down this information.
Thanks,
Seth
On Thursday 21 April 2016 08:19:38 Seth Forshee wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:03:16PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > In Europe ETSI standardized the used for short range devices (SRD) [1] in
> > ETSI EN 300 440-1 [2].
> > According to this standard generic use equipment is allowed to transmit in
> > the frequency range form 5725 MHz to 5875 MHz with a maximum output power
> > of 25 mW e.i.r.p. This generic allocation also allows transmission of
> > 802.11 devices.
> >
> > [3] has a list of countries and their status about the implementation of
> > the SRD frequency bands. For the 5 GHz band this can be seen on page 38
> > in the paragraph ANNEX 1 and the entry Annex j.
> >
> > Attached is a patch that adds the 5 GHz SRD band to db.txt for Germany.
> >
> > If it is acceptable I can provide a patch adding the 5 GHz SRD band for
> > the
> > other countries listed in [3].
>
> The changes seem okay as far as I can tell. You do need to include your
> signed-off-by tag on the patch however, see
> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/sforshee/wireless-regdb.git/tre
> e/CONTRIBUTING.
>
> Thanks,
> Seth
Hi Seth,
Thanks for your reply. You can find my signed-off-by tag below together with
the unchanged patch.
I can affirm I did check this carefully with the official documents of the
German administration for radio equipment (Bundesnetzagentur f?r Elektrizit?t,
Gas, Telekommunikation, Post und Eisenbahnen).
I noticed that the links to the other entries for Germany are broken, as the
website design was changed and thus all old link became non functional. I can
provide a patch fixing this if it is something that's considered useful.
The comments to my initial mail indicated that the statement in the ERC
recommendation I linked are alone not enough to add this frequency ranges for
other countries. Unfortunately I don't have the possibility to do these checks
for countries other than Germany.
If there is anything I can do to help adding the SRD entries for more
countries please let me know.
Thanks,
Maxi
Signed-off-by: Maximilian Engelhardt <[email protected]>
--
diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index e9ba21a..38a9340 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -319,6 +319,9 @@ country CZ: DFS-ETSI
# limit is used here as the non-interference with radar and satellite
# apps relies on the attenuation by the building walls only in the
# absence of DFS; the neighbour countries have 100mW limit here as well.
+# The ETSI EN 300 440-1 standard for short range devices in the 5 GHz band has
+# been implemented in Germany:
+# https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/2014_69_SRD_pdf.pdf
country DE: DFS-ETSI
# entries 279004 and 280006
@@ -329,6 +332,8 @@ country DE: DFS-ETSI
(5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
# entries 308002, 309001 and 310003
(5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS
+ # short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
+ (5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
# 60 GHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
(57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 10:13:14PM +0200, Anne Marcel Roorda wrote:
>
> On 21 Apr 2016, Seth Forshee wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 08:08:46PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> >
> >> The comments to my initial mail indicated that the statement in the ERC
> >> recommendation I linked are alone not enough to add this frequency ranges for
> >> other countries. Unfortunately I don't have the possibility to do these checks
> >> for countries other than Germany.
> >
> >Yep, I understand and am in agreement. I know how challenging it can be
> >to try to track down this information.
>
> I could do the same for NL.
That would be great, if anything about the current rules is incorrect or
out of date.
> At the moment entries for NL are listed as center frequencies
> (almost, 5490 - 5710 @ 160 should be 5550 - 5645 @ 160), while for DE
> the whole band is listed (5470 - 5725 @ 160).
There's no reason per se to limit it to only the range for currently
defined wifi channels if the regulatory body allows unlicensed use of a
wider range. But the rule should include the entire channel bandwith and
not stop at the center frequencies.
> Power budget is listed in db while the law specifies mW.
>
> What is the prefered format, and would a rewrite for NL listing the band
> and power in mW be acceptable ?
It's a direct conversion between the dBm and mW values (in fact mW
values in the text database are converted to dBm values for the binary
database), so the units in the text file don't matter all that much. But
I don't really like changing the units just for the sake of changing
them when the values are already correct; there's always the chance that
some mistake will slip in.
Thanks,
Seth
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 08:08:46PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> On Thursday 21 April 2016 08:19:38 Seth Forshee wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:03:16PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > In Europe ETSI standardized the used for short range devices (SRD) [1] in
> > > ETSI EN 300 440-1 [2].
> > > According to this standard generic use equipment is allowed to transmit in
> > > the frequency range form 5725 MHz to 5875 MHz with a maximum output power
> > > of 25 mW e.i.r.p. This generic allocation also allows transmission of
> > > 802.11 devices.
> > >
> > > [3] has a list of countries and their status about the implementation of
> > > the SRD frequency bands. For the 5 GHz band this can be seen on page 38
> > > in the paragraph ANNEX 1 and the entry Annex j.
> > >
> > > Attached is a patch that adds the 5 GHz SRD band to db.txt for Germany.
> > >
> > > If it is acceptable I can provide a patch adding the 5 GHz SRD band for
> > > the
> > > other countries listed in [3].
> >
> > The changes seem okay as far as I can tell. You do need to include your
> > signed-off-by tag on the patch however, see
> > https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/sforshee/wireless-regdb.git/tre
> > e/CONTRIBUTING.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Seth
>
> Hi Seth,
>
> Thanks for your reply. You can find my signed-off-by tag below together with
> the unchanged patch.
>
> I can affirm I did check this carefully with the official documents of the
> German administration for radio equipment (Bundesnetzagentur für Elektrizität,
> Gas, Telekommunikation, Post und Eisenbahnen).
>
> I noticed that the links to the other entries for Germany are broken, as the
> website design was changed and thus all old link became non functional. I can
> provide a patch fixing this if it is something that's considered useful.
>
>
> The comments to my initial mail indicated that the statement in the ERC
> recommendation I linked are alone not enough to add this frequency ranges for
> other countries. Unfortunately I don't have the possibility to do these checks
> for countries other than Germany.
>
> If there is anything I can do to help adding the SRD entries for more
> countries please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Maxi
>
>
> Signed-off-by: Maximilian Engelhardt <[email protected]>
Applied, thanks.