Hi,
we have done some experiments last week on ath10k, trying to run mesh
(802.11s) and access point at the same time, both encrypted.
We have tested a recent LEDE (reboot-1519-g42f559e) but with
firmware-5.bin_10.2.4.70.42-2 and the included wpa_supplicant, which gave us a
working encrypted 802.11s network. However, starting an AP at the same time
didn't work (AP doesn't beacon). This wasn't a problem when 802.11s was
running unencrypted.
We also tested version 10.2.4.97 (from codeaurora), which is now default in
LEDE. However, this version apparently doesn't support 11s mesh at all
(WMI_SERVICE_MESH_11S is disabled in the service map, but cfg/mac80211
advertises support).
So here are my questions:
* Did anyone succesfully run AP and mesh, both encrypted at the same time?
* Do you have any pointers how we could fix this? Could it be fixable in the
driver (i.e. not in firmware)?
* Does anyone have an idea if 11s will be supported in future versions? I
didn't find any changelogs, but having 11s mode no longer in the service map
does not make me optimistic.
Thanks,
Simon
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Hi Simon,
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Simon Wunderlich <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:59:31 AM CEST Valo, Kalle wrote:
>> Simon Wunderlich <[email protected]> writes:
>> > we have done some experiments last week on ath10k, trying to run mesh
>> > (802.11s) and access point at the same time, both encrypted.
>> >
>> > We have tested a recent LEDE (reboot-1519-g42f559e) but with
>> > firmware-5.bin_10.2.4.70.42-2 and the included wpa_supplicant, which gave
>> > us a working encrypted 802.11s network. However, starting an AP at the
>> > same time didn't work (AP doesn't beacon). This wasn't a problem when
>> > 802.11s was running unencrypted.
>> >
>> > We also tested version 10.2.4.97 (from codeaurora), which is now default
>> > in
>> > LEDE. However, this version apparently doesn't support 11s mesh at all
>> > (WMI_SERVICE_MESH_11S is disabled in the service map, but cfg/mac80211
>> > advertises support).
>> >
>> > So here are my questions:
>> > * Did anyone succesfully run AP and mesh, both encrypted at the same
>> > time?
>> > * Do you have any pointers how we could fix this? Could it be fixable in
>> > the>
>> > driver (i.e. not in firmware)?
>> >
>> > * Does anyone have an idea if 11s will be supported in future versions? I
>> >
>> > didn't find any changelogs, but having 11s mode no longer in the service
>> > map does not make me optimistic.
>>
>> Why is LEDE using 10.2.4.97? It seems to be a quite old release and I
>> have no knowledge if anyone even tests that firmware branch with ath10k.
>> I recommend to only use firmware releases from ath10k-firmware.git as we
>> use those internally with ath10k. In any case, don't make any
>> assumptions about future from that firmware branch as it's so old.
Thanks for clarifying this.
> This was introduced in December 25th, 2015 after some firmware-related
> problems. I'm CC'ing Martin Blumenstingl who suggested this change.
>
> Since then, ath10k is pulling firmware from here (unless ct firmware is used):
>
> https://source.codeaurora.org/quic/qsdk/oss/firmware/ath10k-firmware/plain/
> 10.2.4/firmware-5.bin_10.2.4.97-1
I initially updated to version 10.2.4.70.13-2, but we decided to
update to the "latest" firmware back then (see the thread at [0])
With the explanation from Kalle it makes sense to only use the
firmware binaries distributed in his repo (to ensure that the firmware
is tested by QCA's internal team).
> However, I don't understand the numbering? 10.2.4.97 > 10.2.4.70, but you say
> 10.2.4.70.42-2 is more recent? I would have assumed otherwise from the
> numbers.
That looks strange to me as well
as a side-note: I am currently preparing and testing a patch to update
the ath10k-firmware in LEDE to 10.2.4.70.52
Regards,
Martin
[0] https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg35623.html
On Friday, September 23, 2016 10:18:49 PM CEST Pedersen, Thomas wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-09-19 at 08:43 +0200, Simon Wunderlich wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 5:54:38 PM CEST Pedersen, Thomas wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 14:30 +0200, Simon Wunderlich wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the clarification. We will then stick to the 70's branch
> > > > then.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have pointers for the other questions? :) I would believe
> > > > hat many
> > > > people would be interested in running AP + Mesh encrypted at the same
> > > > time (at
> > > > least in the open source community ...).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We're testing encrypted AP + Mesh quite successfully right now with
> > > this firmware: https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware/commit/307cb46b
> > > 06661ebd3186723b5002de769c7add83, of course that is for a QCA4019 chip.
> > > Which chip are you using? I can poke the firmware guys for possibility
> > > of getting a 10.4.3.2 firmware build for it.
> >
> >
> > Hi Thomas,
> >
> > thanks for the hint! We are using an older QCA9882. I assume your firmware
> > will
not work for this one? If you can poke the firmware guys, that
> > would be great.>
> > :)
>
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> According to firmware guys the latest code can actually compile down to
> any chipset, so it should simply be a matter of getting builds released.
Hi Thomas,
thats great news, thanks for the heads up!
How are we going to get those builds released? Who can I ask, or do you want
to take care of that?
Thanks,
Simon
Simon Wunderlich <[email protected]> writes:
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:59:31 AM CEST Valo, Kalle wrote:
>> Simon Wunderlich <[email protected]> writes:
>> > we have done some experiments last week on ath10k, trying to run mesh
>> > (802.11s) and access point at the same time, both encrypted.
>> >=20
>> > We have tested a recent LEDE (reboot-1519-g42f559e) but with
>> > firmware-5.bin_10.2.4.70.42-2 and the included wpa_supplicant, which g=
ave
>> > us a working encrypted 802.11s network. However, starting an AP at the
>> > same time didn't work (AP doesn't beacon). This wasn't a problem when
>> > 802.11s was running unencrypted.
>> >=20
>> > We also tested version 10.2.4.97 (from codeaurora), which is now defau=
lt
>> > in
>> > LEDE. However, this version apparently doesn't support 11s mesh at all
>> > (WMI_SERVICE_MESH_11S is disabled in the service map, but cfg/mac80211
>> > advertises support).
>> >=20
>> > So here are my questions:
>> > * Did anyone succesfully run AP and mesh, both encrypted at the same
>> > time?
>> > * Do you have any pointers how we could fix this? Could it be fixable=
in
>> > the>=20
>> > driver (i.e. not in firmware)?
>> >=20
>> > * Does anyone have an idea if 11s will be supported in future version=
s? I
>> >=20
>> > didn't find any changelogs, but having 11s mode no longer in the servi=
ce
>> > map does not make me optimistic.
>>=20
>> Why is LEDE using 10.2.4.97? It seems to be a quite old release and I
>> have no knowledge if anyone even tests that firmware branch with ath10k.
>> I recommend to only use firmware releases from ath10k-firmware.git as we
>> use those internally with ath10k. In any case, don't make any
>> assumptions about future from that firmware branch as it's so old.
>
> This was introduced in December 25th, 2015 after some firmware-related=20
> problems. I'm CC'ing Martin Blumenstingl who suggested this change.
>
> Since then, ath10k is pulling firmware from here (unless ct firmware is u=
sed):
>
> https://source.codeaurora.org/quic/qsdk/oss/firmware/ath10k-firmware/plai=
n/
> 10.2.4/firmware-5.bin_10.2.4.97-1
>
> However, I don't understand the numbering? 10.2.4.97 > 10.2.4.70, but you=
say=20
> 10.2.4.70.42-2 is more recent? I would have assumed otherwise from the=20
> numbers. However, 10.2.4.70 has much more sub-revisions.
As I said before, I just deliver the firmware files to the community and
the firmware team creates the actual releases. But my understanding is
that these are from different branches which are built independently
(and might have different features, like in this case the mesh support)
so I would not make any conclusions if any firmware is "better" just
from the numbers alone.
--=20
Kalle Valo=
On Montag, 19. September 2016 08:43:56 CEST Simon Wunderlich wrote:
[...]
> > We're testing encrypted AP + Mesh quite successfully right now with
> > this firmware: https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware/commit/307cb46b
> > 06661ebd3186723b5002de769c7add83, of course that is for a QCA4019 chip.
> > Which chip are you using? I can poke the firmware guys for possibility
> > of getting a 10.4.3.2 firmware build for it.
>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> thanks for the hint! We are using an older QCA9882. I assume your firmware
> will not work for this one? If you can poke the firmware guys, that would
> be great.
> :)
>
> We also want to test the 70.52 firmware version next, maybe there were some
> changes since the .42 we used.
I have just checked it with 10.2.4.70.54:
| 802.11s encrypted | 802.11s unencrypted
---------------+-------------------+--------------------
AP encrypted | AP doesn't beacon | works
AP unencrypted | AP doesn't beacon | works
I've also checked 10.2.4.70.12-2 (doesn't seem to support encrypted mesh at
all) and with rawmode=1 (makes no difference).
Kind regards,
Sven
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On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:59:31 AM CEST Valo, Kalle wrote:
> Simon Wunderlich <[email protected]> writes:
> > we have done some experiments last week on ath10k, trying to run mesh
> > (802.11s) and access point at the same time, both encrypted.
> >
> > We have tested a recent LEDE (reboot-1519-g42f559e) but with
> > firmware-5.bin_10.2.4.70.42-2 and the included wpa_supplicant, which gave
> > us a working encrypted 802.11s network. However, starting an AP at the
> > same time didn't work (AP doesn't beacon). This wasn't a problem when
> > 802.11s was running unencrypted.
> >
> > We also tested version 10.2.4.97 (from codeaurora), which is now default
> > in
> > LEDE. However, this version apparently doesn't support 11s mesh at all
> > (WMI_SERVICE_MESH_11S is disabled in the service map, but cfg/mac80211
> > advertises support).
> >
> > So here are my questions:
> > * Did anyone succesfully run AP and mesh, both encrypted at the same
> > time?
> > * Do you have any pointers how we could fix this? Could it be fixable in
> > the>
> > driver (i.e. not in firmware)?
> >
> > * Does anyone have an idea if 11s will be supported in future versions? I
> >
> > didn't find any changelogs, but having 11s mode no longer in the service
> > map does not make me optimistic.
>
> Why is LEDE using 10.2.4.97? It seems to be a quite old release and I
> have no knowledge if anyone even tests that firmware branch with ath10k.
> I recommend to only use firmware releases from ath10k-firmware.git as we
> use those internally with ath10k. In any case, don't make any
> assumptions about future from that firmware branch as it's so old.
This was introduced in December 25th, 2015 after some firmware-related
problems. I'm CC'ing Martin Blumenstingl who suggested this change.
Since then, ath10k is pulling firmware from here (unless ct firmware is used):
https://source.codeaurora.org/quic/qsdk/oss/firmware/ath10k-firmware/plain/
10.2.4/firmware-5.bin_10.2.4.97-1
However, I don't understand the numbering? 10.2.4.97 > 10.2.4.70, but you say
10.2.4.70.42-2 is more recent? I would have assumed otherwise from the
numbers. However, 10.2.4.70 has much more sub-revisions. Is there any document
describing the revisions? I don't understand it at least from this wiki page
[1].
Thanks!
Simon
[1] https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath10k/firmware
On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:25:21 AM CEST Valo, Kalle wrote:
> Simon Wunderlich <[email protected]> writes:
> > On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:59:31 AM CEST Valo, Kalle wrote:
> >> Simon Wunderlich <[email protected]> writes:
> >> > we have done some experiments last week on ath10k, trying to run mesh
> >> > (802.11s) and access point at the same time, both encrypted.
> >> >
> >> > We have tested a recent LEDE (reboot-1519-g42f559e) but with
> >> > firmware-5.bin_10.2.4.70.42-2 and the included wpa_supplicant, which
> >> > gave
> >> > us a working encrypted 802.11s network. However, starting an AP at the
> >> > same time didn't work (AP doesn't beacon). This wasn't a problem when
> >> > 802.11s was running unencrypted.
> >> >
> >> > We also tested version 10.2.4.97 (from codeaurora), which is now
> >> > default
> >> > in
> >> > LEDE. However, this version apparently doesn't support 11s mesh at all
> >> > (WMI_SERVICE_MESH_11S is disabled in the service map, but cfg/mac80211
> >> > advertises support).
> >> >
> >> > So here are my questions:
> >> > * Did anyone succesfully run AP and mesh, both encrypted at the same
> >> > time?
> >> > * Do you have any pointers how we could fix this? Could it be fixable
> >> > in
> >> > the>
> >> >
> >> > driver (i.e. not in firmware)?
> >> >
> >> > * Does anyone have an idea if 11s will be supported in future
> >> > versions? I
> >> >
> >> > didn't find any changelogs, but having 11s mode no longer in the
> >> > service
> >> > map does not make me optimistic.
> >>
> >> Why is LEDE using 10.2.4.97? It seems to be a quite old release and I
> >> have no knowledge if anyone even tests that firmware branch with ath10k.
> >> I recommend to only use firmware releases from ath10k-firmware.git as we
> >> use those internally with ath10k. In any case, don't make any
> >> assumptions about future from that firmware branch as it's so old.
> >
> > This was introduced in December 25th, 2015 after some firmware-related
> > problems. I'm CC'ing Martin Blumenstingl who suggested this change.
> >
> > Since then, ath10k is pulling firmware from here (unless ct firmware is
> > used):
> >
> > https://source.codeaurora.org/quic/qsdk/oss/firmware/ath10k-firmware/plain
> > /
> > 10.2.4/firmware-5.bin_10.2.4.97-1
> >
> > However, I don't understand the numbering? 10.2.4.97 > 10.2.4.70, but you
> > say 10.2.4.70.42-2 is more recent? I would have assumed otherwise from
> > the numbers. However, 10.2.4.70 has much more sub-revisions.
>
> As I said before, I just deliver the firmware files to the community and
> the firmware team creates the actual releases. But my understanding is
> that these are from different branches which are built independently
> (and might have different features, like in this case the mesh support)
> so I would not make any conclusions if any firmware is "better" just
> from the numbers alone.
you are right ... those numbers are not a good pointer. I found this repo, and
from the checkin dates it looks like 10.2.4.97 is indeed way older (from
September 2015) than 10.2.4.70.42 (April 2016):
https://source.codeaurora.org/quic/qsdk/oss/firmware/ath10k-firmware/log/10.2.4
I would agree that Changelogs would be helpful.
Thanks for the clarification. We will then stick to the 70's branch then.
Does anyone have pointers for the other questions? :) I would believe hat many
people would be interested in running AP + Mesh encrypted at the same time (at
least in the open source community ...).
Thanks,
Simon
Am 13.09.2016 um 13:25 schrieb Valo, Kalle:
> Simon Wunderlich <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:59:31 AM CEST Valo, Kalle wrote:
>>> Simon Wunderlich <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> we have done some experiments last week on ath10k, trying to run mesh
>>>> (802.11s) and access point at the same time, both encrypted.
>>>>
>>>> We have tested a recent LEDE (reboot-1519-g42f559e) but with
>>>> firmware-5.bin_10.2.4.70.42-2 and the included wpa_supplicant, which gave
>>>> us a working encrypted 802.11s network. However, starting an AP at the
>>>> same time didn't work (AP doesn't beacon). This wasn't a problem when
>>>> 802.11s was running unencrypted.
>>>>
>>>> We also tested version 10.2.4.97 (from codeaurora), which is now default
>>>> in
>>>> LEDE. However, this version apparently doesn't support 11s mesh at all
>>>> (WMI_SERVICE_MESH_11S is disabled in the service map, but cfg/mac80211
>>>> advertises support).
>>>>
>>>> So here are my questions:
>>>> * Did anyone succesfully run AP and mesh, both encrypted at the same
>>>> time?
>>>> * Do you have any pointers how we could fix this? Could it be fixable in
>>>> the>
>>>> driver (i.e. not in firmware)?
>>>>
>>>> * Does anyone have an idea if 11s will be supported in future versions? I
>>>>
>>>> didn't find any changelogs, but having 11s mode no longer in the service
>>>> map does not make me optimistic.
>>> Why is LEDE using 10.2.4.97? It seems to be a quite old release and I
>>> have no knowledge if anyone even tests that firmware branch with ath10k.
>>> I recommend to only use firmware releases from ath10k-firmware.git as we
>>> use those internally with ath10k. In any case, don't make any
>>> assumptions about future from that firmware branch as it's so old.
>> This was introduced in December 25th, 2015 after some firmware-related
>> problems. I'm CC'ing Martin Blumenstingl who suggested this change.
>>
>> Since then, ath10k is pulling firmware from here (unless ct firmware is used):
>>
>> https://source.codeaurora.org/quic/qsdk/oss/firmware/ath10k-firmware/plain/
>> 10.2.4/firmware-5.bin_10.2.4.97-1
>>
>> However, I don't understand the numbering? 10.2.4.97 > 10.2.4.70, but you say
>> 10.2.4.70.42-2 is more recent? I would have assumed otherwise from the
>> numbers. However, 10.2.4.70 has much more sub-revisions.
> As I said before, I just deliver the firmware files to the community and
> the firmware team creates the actual releases. But my understanding is
> that these are from different branches which are built independently
> (and might have different features, like in this case the mesh support)
> so I would not make any conclusions if any firmware is "better" just
> from the numbers alone.
would be good to have changelogs so see what has been changed to test
what they have changed in the fw
>
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Simon Wunderlich <[email protected]> writes:
> we have done some experiments last week on ath10k, trying to run mesh=20
> (802.11s) and access point at the same time, both encrypted.=20
>
> We have tested a recent LEDE (reboot-1519-g42f559e) but with=20
> firmware-5.bin_10.2.4.70.42-2 and the included wpa_supplicant, which gave=
us a=20
> working encrypted 802.11s network. However, starting an AP at the same ti=
me=20
> didn't work (AP doesn't beacon). This wasn't a problem when 802.11s was=20
> running unencrypted.
>
> We also tested version 10.2.4.97 (from codeaurora), which is now default =
in=20
> LEDE. However, this version apparently doesn't support 11s mesh at all=20
> (WMI_SERVICE_MESH_11S is disabled in the service map, but cfg/mac80211=20
> advertises support).
>
> So here are my questions:
>
> * Did anyone succesfully run AP and mesh, both encrypted at the same tim=
e?
> * Do you have any pointers how we could fix this? Could it be fixable in=
the=20
> driver (i.e. not in firmware)?
> * Does anyone have an idea if 11s will be supported in future versions? =
I=20
> didn't find any changelogs, but having 11s mode no longer in the service =
map=20
> does not make me optimistic.
Why is LEDE using 10.2.4.97? It seems to be a quite old release and I
have no knowledge if anyone even tests that firmware branch with ath10k.
I recommend to only use firmware releases from ath10k-firmware.git as we
use those internally with ath10k. In any case, don't make any
assumptions about future from that firmware branch as it's so old.
--=20
Kalle Valo=
On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 5:54:38 PM CEST Pedersen, Thomas wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-09-13 at 14:30 +0200, Simon Wunderlich wrote:
>
> > [...]
> >
> > Thanks for the clarification. We will then stick to the 70's branch
> > then.
> >
> > Does anyone have pointers for the other questions? :) I would believe
> > hat many
> > people would be interested in running AP + Mesh encrypted at the same
> > time (at
> > least in the open source community ...).
>
>
> We're testing encrypted AP + Mesh quite successfully right now with
> this firmware: https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware/commit/307cb46b
> 06661ebd3186723b5002de769c7add83, of course that is for a QCA4019 chip.
> Which chip are you using? I can poke the firmware guys for possibility
> of getting a 10.4.3.2 firmware build for it.
Hi Thomas,
thanks for the hint! We are using an older QCA9882. I assume your firmware will
not work for this one? If you can poke the firmware guys, that would be great.
:)
We also want to test the 70.52 firmware version next, maybe there were some
changes since the .42 we used.
Thanks,
Simon
On Montag, 19. September 2016 11:34:00 CET Sven Eckelmann wrote:
> On Montag, 19. September 2016 08:43:56 CEST Simon Wunderlich wrote:
> [...]
> > > We're testing encrypted AP + Mesh quite successfully right now with
> > > this firmware: https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware/commit/307cb46b
> > > 06661ebd3186723b5002de769c7add83, of course that is for a QCA4019 chip.
> > > Which chip are you using? I can poke the firmware guys for possibility
> > > of getting a 10.4.3.2 firmware build for it.
[...]
> | 802.11s encrypted | 802.11s unencrypted
> ---------------+-------------------+--------------------
> AP encrypted | AP doesn't beacon | works
> AP unencrypted | AP doesn't beacon | works
>
> I've also checked 10.2.4.70.12-2 (doesn't seem to support encrypted mesh at
> all) and with rawmode=1 (makes no difference).
I just tested it with a IPQ4019 with the (10.4-)3.2.1-00050 image. And I see a
similar problem with it. But the AP was not actually active (device was in AP
mode but no channel was set and it didn't beacon). So we end up again with an
incomplete initialized AP but hostapd was running.
I've simply disabled the LEDE wifi stuff and ran the attached autostart.sh
manually. This seemed to work fine. This is rather odd because the same
configuration for wpa_supplicant and hostapd was used. It also works fine with
the normal LEDE setup scripts when encryption on the mesh device is disabled
and it also works fine with ath9k.
With the LEDE scripts/netifd, hostapd thought that the AP went up:
root@lede:/# hostapd_cli status
Selected interface 'wlan0-1'
state=ENABLED
phy=phy0
freq=2462
num_sta_non_erp=0
num_sta_no_short_slot_time=0
num_sta_no_short_preamble=0
olbc=0
num_sta_ht_no_gf=0
num_sta_no_ht=0
num_sta_ht_20_mhz=0
num_sta_ht40_intolerant=0
olbc_ht=1
ht_op_mode=0x11
cac_time_seconds=0
cac_time_left_seconds=N/A
channel=11
secondary_channel=0
ieee80211n=1
ieee80211ac=0
bss[0]=wlan0-1
bssid[0]=ac:86:74:00:0e:35
ssid[0]=LEDE3-1
num_sta[0]=0
iw dev didn't think so:
Interface wlan0-1
ifindex 13
wdev 0x5
addr ac:86:74:00:0e:35
type AP
txpower 30.00 dBm
Interestingly, it sometimes (randomly) started to work when the AP interface
was switched to psk2 for encryption instead of using an unencrypted AP.
Right now, it looks like an odd timing problem. Has someone else a good idea
what to test?
Btw. we never received any (10.4-)3.2 based firmware for QCA988X from QCA. But
I am also not sure if I find time to retest it again with QCA988x.
Kind regards,
Sven