2002-03-06 09:41:15

by Andi Kleen

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Subject: Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers

Andrew Morton <[email protected]> writes:

> The Open Source Club at The Ohio State University wrote:
> >
> > [ succinctness ]
> >
>
> fwiw, I prefer to not use bitkeeper, for the reasons which
> you outline.

I also prefer not to use Bitkeeper as long as possible for similar reasons
and because it is too slow and clumpsy
(although it is already very hard because often source is only available
through it, e.g. for ppc or for 2.5 pre patches now -- hopefully this trend
does not continue)

-Andi


2002-03-06 13:27:49

by Geert Uytterhoeven

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Subject: Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers

On 6 Mar 2002, Andi Kleen wrote:
> Andrew Morton <[email protected]> writes:
> > The Open Source Club at The Ohio State University wrote:
> > >
> > > [ succinctness ]
> > >
> >
> > fwiw, I prefer to not use bitkeeper, for the reasons which
> > you outline.
>
> I also prefer not to use Bitkeeper as long as possible for similar reasons
> and because it is too slow and clumpsy
> (although it is already very hard because often source is only available
> through it, e.g. for ppc or for 2.5 pre patches now -- hopefully this trend
> does not continue)

The PPC trees are available through rsync as well.

http://www.penguinppc.org/dev/kernel.shtml

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

Geert

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2002-03-06 14:30:50

by Roman Zippel

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Subject: Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers

Hi,

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:

> > I also prefer not to use Bitkeeper as long as possible for similar reasons
> > and because it is too slow and clumpsy
> > (although it is already very hard because often source is only available
> > through it, e.g. for ppc or for 2.5 pre patches now -- hopefully this trend
> > does not continue)
>
> The PPC trees are available through rsync as well.
>
> http://www.penguinppc.org/dev/kernel.shtml

With rsync you get only the latest version, but not any previous
version. For APUS I have to use bk to extract the ppc tree version I want
to import, for m68k I only have to go to ftp.kernel.org and grab the right
patch.

bye, Roman

2002-03-06 17:00:32

by Larry McVoy

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Subject: Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 03:30:03PM +0100, Roman Zippel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>
> > > I also prefer not to use Bitkeeper as long as possible for similar reasons
> > > and because it is too slow and clumpsy
> > > (although it is already very hard because often source is only available
> > > through it, e.g. for ppc or for 2.5 pre patches now -- hopefully this trend
> > > does not continue)
> >
> > The PPC trees are available through rsync as well.
> >
> > http://www.penguinppc.org/dev/kernel.shtml
>
> With rsync you get only the latest version, but not any previous
> version. For APUS I have to use bk to extract the ppc tree version I want
> to import, for m68k I only have to go to ftp.kernel.org and grab the right
> patch.

Is the problem that you can't figure out how to extract all the patches
from BK so you can put them up for FTP? Here, I'll do it for you:

# extract all the patches from 2.5.0 onward.
bk prs -hrv2.5.0.. | while read x
do bk export -tpatch -r$i > ~ftp/patches/patch-$i
done

--
---
Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm

2002-03-06 18:12:21

by Roman Zippel

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Subject: Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers

Hi,

Larry McVoy wrote:

> Is the problem that you can't figure out how to extract all the patches
> from BK so you can put them up for FTP? Here, I'll do it for you:

Do it for the ppc guys, not me.

bye, Roman

2002-03-07 04:28:19

by Troy Benjegerdes

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Subject: Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 07:11:54PM +0100, Roman Zippel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Larry McVoy wrote:
>
> > Is the problem that you can't figure out how to extract all the patches
> > from BK so you can put them up for FTP? Here, I'll do it for you:
>
> Do it for the ppc guys, not me.
>
> bye, Roman

You really don't want every changeset as a patch :-/

Please talk to Jeramy, or someone else running penguinppc.org. At one
point we had patches being generated for every changesets. It got to be
too much of a headache.

Write some scripts to generage a patch every week or so, and we'll put it
up.

What I'd really like is some kind of one-way bk->$OTHER_SCM mirror setup
simply so people can pull stuff out without BK.

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Subject: Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers

Larry McVoy <[email protected]> writes:

> # extract all the patches from 2.5.0 onward.
> bk prs -hrv2.5.0.. | while read x
> do bk export -tpatch -r$i > ~ftp/patches/patch-$i
> done

[henning@henning henning]$ bk prs -hrv2.5.0.. | while read x
while: Expression Syntax.

You obviously just _underlined_ the point, Larry.

Regards
Henning

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2002-03-07 17:31:04

by Mark Mielke

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Subject: Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers

On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 04:51:56PM +0000, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> Larry McVoy <[email protected]> writes:
> > # extract all the patches from 2.5.0 onward.
> > bk prs -hrv2.5.0.. | while read x
> > do bk export -tpatch -r$i > ~ftp/patches/patch-$i
> > done
> [henning@henning henning]$ bk prs -hrv2.5.0.. | while read x
> while: Expression Syntax.
> You obviously just _underlined_ the point, Larry.
> ...
> It's tcsh; before you ask.

If you know that the above works only with [zk(ba)]sh, I don't know
what point you would be making by stating that it doesn't work with
tcsh. Put it in a script, and put #!/bin/bash on the top. Now wasn't
that fun?

mark

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2002-03-07 17:42:06

by Rik van Riel

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Subject: Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers

On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Mark Mielke wrote:

> > [henning@henning henning]$ bk prs -hrv2.5.0.. | while read x
> > while: Expression Syntax.
> > You obviously just _underlined_ the point, Larry.
> > ...
> > It's tcsh; before you ask.
>
> If you know that the above works only with [zk(ba)]sh, I don't know
> what point you would be making by stating that it doesn't work with
> tcsh.

Shhhh, you're ruining the free-software-fans-bash-Larry show.

cheers,

Rik
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2002-03-08 10:09:44

by Matthias Andree

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Subject: Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers

On Thu, 07 Mar 2002, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:

> [henning@henning henning]$ bk prs -hrv2.5.0.. | while read x
> while: Expression Syntax.
>
> You obviously just _underlined_ the point, Larry.
>
> Regards
> Henning
>
> It's tcsh; before you ask.

Flame attractor: No sane person works with [t]csh.

2002-03-08 18:07:05

by Ian Soboroff

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Subject: Re: [lkml] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers

Matthias Andree <[email protected]> writes:

> Flame attractor: No sane person works with [t]csh.

Let's see... we've had a SCM flamewar, a license flamewar, an Emacs/VI
taunt or two, a csh/sh taunt, and even Hitler. Add this to the ESR
flamewar, the devfs flamewar, the odd microkernel LART, and a spam or
three.

If we only had kibo, LKML would be USENET.

(ducks)

ian
(a fried of whose once sig'ed: "Unencumbered with facts as I am, I
will now comment." -- USENET motto)